A NEW DECISION--A RE-POST
In order to stay true to my real feelings, my dedication to the boycott (which is the only way to punish Aruba for their dirty deeds), and to offer an olive branch to Meri, I am going against the wishes of a family member...I am re-posting Meri's post from Oct. 2, 2006.
I can't assume Meri will care or forgive, but I'm putting it back up out of principle. Meri is right. Beth did email me and said that anyone is invited and it wasn't a secret meeting. Then all of a sudden it turned into a "secret" and egos went wild, and those that have worked hard got turned away or uninvited. I'm sorry to "choose camps", but I have to go with what is best in the long run. It's the people's choice to know and make their own observations and opinions for themselves.
After this, I am done with the entire matter. I don't need a big special security clearance meeting to get things done. I already have some huge campaigns in my head and in the works. Of course I'd like Meri back in the game with me, but I assume nothing until I hear otherwise.
Here is her original post:
By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor
There is a meeting planned for the end of this month with the family of Natalee Holloway. The meeting is not something that I wish to participate in nor do I believe that it will accomplish anything worthwhile.
The planners of the meeting are including some individuals who are not helpful to Natalee and her fate and excluding many who are helpful. I want nothing to do with this and feel it will bring nothing but negativity to many of us who have worked hard since Natalee disappeared. I have made my feelings known to Beth Twitty and that's the best that I can do at this point.
Once the meeting is over I will jump back in and do whatever I can to help. For now I feel it's better to step aside rather than to act out in anger and frustration at what I see as a very sad situation.
There will always be people who have their own personal agendas and their own selfish reasons for getting involved in cases like this one and nothing can be done about that so I have done what I feel is best for now and will pick up where I left off when the nonsense has passed. Natalee is always in my thoughts and my concern for Beth never ceases so I won't give up anytime soon.
I have faith that the boycott is moving forward well and that Michelle is doing everything possible to keep the momentum going. That's about the best that any of us can do right now.
Please continue to support this boycott and spread the word. It's very important that we do this as it appears that it's the only tool that we have to make Aruba take notice of our determination to find a solution to what happened to Natalee and who is responsible. I look forward to resuming my participation around the beginning of November when I don't have to deal with the constant attempts to sabotage our goals that are currently taking place.
In the past I have allowed myself to be a part of a Team that is being led by someone I no longer trust so I have removed myself from that situation and that's a step in the right direction. Others have also seen the light so we will be stronger and less encumbered by those who have a deep need to be the center of attention at a great cost to the people who are deserving of answers and to Natalee herself.
I look forward to submitting my article on Julia when I come back.
Until then....be strong, and NIL ILLEGITIMUS CARBORUNDUM.
SCIENTIA EST POTENTIA Meri
88 comments:
Julia does not wear panty on the third week of her month cycle. She says tampon is sufficient, if I make a mess, it's somebody else problem, there no need for a safety net in real world view. The safety net or rather her panty is the law and order of Aruba. When Julia had her bloody selfish dirty tampon Joran above the law, the whole Aruba nation crumbles under her ass. Her Aruba Today is just that an ugly beast of the Dutch system. Julia has been exposed by the Aruban Boycott on her INJUSTCE, COVER UPS, CORRUPTION, LIES. She is a brat and a rat. She is Aruban. She is unAmerican. Boycott Aruba! / Find Natalee.
Wonder what Julia wears the rest of her month, does she ever wear anything at all? No wonder her butt wears out so fast, no longer capable of doing her windsurfing or sandwinding. Her dripping asshole sucks Dutch! Steer clear of Jetblue Aruba and Riche Tommie in coming October. They will kill you!
As usual you publish THESE comments because they can so easily be accepted or rejected without a reflection on the author of this blog entry.
As usual, my comment didn't quite make it to be published. Not surprised.
It certainly makes your position SEEM so much more accepted when you censor with such care what comments you garner AGAINST your hate.
There, I posted your comment. I won't post anything where you insult my friend Meri. Who in the hell do you think you are?
"One who accuses man of hate, is usually looking in the mirror"
You don't need to publish "this" comment. This is to YOU personally. I see you can grasp the harmful nature of publishing something insulting to your "friend" Meri. Why don't you see the harm in publishing all your slander and hate against BFN,Debbie, all those who didn't abandon them at YOUR beckoning?
And you are right... about the instigation of all the HATE talk. It all started with YOU so take your little quip about looking in the mirror to heart. You are talking about yourself.
Just because I RECOGNIZE and DISMISS hate doesn't mean I am an advocate. I can SEE clearly without lowering myself to YOUR level of depravity. Prior to this tangent you have been on with your "friend" Meri, I would have never thought YOU would be "for" such horrible behavior. YOU are above this that is spewed on your blog.
I have no hate towards BFN or Debbie or "those who didn't abandon them at your beckoning". I didn't beckon anyone to do anything. I allowed Meri to voice her opinion on the truth and I of course get the backlash.
You don't know me...don't judge me regarding my "horrible behavior" and "hatefulness". Because you know what? That is the furthest thing from the truth and you can ask anyone that KNOWS ME.
I don't need to defend myself. I've had my last word with you. End of subject.
Right on, Michelle, you have made us strong. Justice for Natalee is our mission, Aruban Boycott is our tool you have given us. I never knew there was a need for a security clearance meeting. We bloggers don't work for the corrupt government. We vote the corrupt officials out of their office and power. This is the American way. This is the strength and spirit of our United States Constitution. No one can be above the law. As for the boycott of Dutch products, it is the individual's right to do so. Let the Dutch companies lose money, and we can always work for another great American company. We are now closing in on Aruba from many fronts. We have the knowlege and know-how. Airbus A380 Germany is kicking Hollnd's ass. Holland government officials coveruped the defects testings on the structure couplings which interfered the fly-by-wire controls in the A380. Holland don't care about human lives, they just STEAL.
Aruban Boycott is my guilding light. I got the tips from the blog, and have resolved my personal problems. I have become a better and contributive person. Thnak you for your courage, Michelle.
From now on, Michelle I will only read your Aruban Boycott blog about Natalee. And none other blog will I read about Robin. Your blog is so well written. I enjoy your style and bittersweetness. I agree with everything you decide against Aruba, and I will follow your ideas. When I do that, I have my peace of mind. Your loyal fan from the North.
Tell us more about this clandestine meeting scheduled for the end of the month! Does this have anything to do with what Dave Holloway said on the Pretzer show? Something about a bigger presence on the internet? Who are the players involved with this rendezvous’?
Michelle, I am so glad that you have done the right thing.
BFN is no longer a productive site thanks to Robin's meddling there. Wonderful researchers have left, and all they have now is ONE research thread that withered and died on the vine. Mark Purcell a/k/a MIP6, Mr. Aruban Tourism Himself, is back over there promoting Aruba. Shame on you, Debbie.
Robin is a STEP parent. She does not have the same rights afforded to her as a parent. I believe that ONLY Beth or Dave have the right to ask anyone to remove anything.
Michelle, thank you for re-posting Meri's post.
Michelle you are a loving mother. You dedicate your time to this blog and the boycott. This is time you could be spending with your own child. However, you take the necessary measures to do what you can to continue the Boycott Aruba Grassroots Movement. I commend you! This proves you are a loving caring mother and caring for other families children as well.
Robin Holloway thanked the guys that have bashed Dave, Natalee and Beth. I'm shocked! I know for a fact Robin knows they bashed them. Robin doesn't deserve any respect. Respect is earned. I also agree with Wingnut 100%.
I'm not on here today to bash anyone but the truth needs to be out regarding Robin. We all want the truth right?
Michelle, keep up the good work. Your hard work has paid off. You're an amazing talented lady and mom helping another mom (Beth) get answewrs and justice for Natalee. Thank you!
Faith
This is all very interesting about Robin, BFN and its administrator, but I would like to know more about what Meri wrote and why it would upset anyone? What is this meeting about and who is supposed to be there by invitation only? What is the objective of the meeting?
Michelle, it was good to see that you thought about what happened and decided to repost what Meri wrote.
Let's all move forward and stop the name calling and finger pointing because it doesn't help anyone.
Keep the pressure on Aruba because they are the real criminals.
From my understanding, Robin and Dave have been paying Rammstien over at BFN to translate all the ALE transcripts that have been provided for the public viewing on several blog sites.
Why would they pay someone to translate for them that is not a professional other than the reason he is Dutch and lives in Holland? I would think they would seek a lawyer or a professional to do this. Not to mention that Ramms is one of those over at BFN that has bashed some of those in Natalee's family in the past.
I wonder if Beth knows.
If this is all true, ofcourse.
Hi Michelle, I'm still with you all the way. Eventhough I haven't sent that picture I was to get to you, I am driving my Mazda all over DFW displaying the boycott picture. You can't imagine how many people actually know about Natalee around here.
Why don't we have a meeting of our own one day, preferably in Vegas.
Boy, would that be lively....chris
Anonymous wrote:
From my understanding, Robin and Dave have been paying Rammstien over at BFN to translate all the ALE transcripts that have been provided for the public viewing on several blog sites.
Why would they pay someone to translate for them that is not a professional other than the reason he is Dutch and lives in Holland? I would think they would seek a lawyer or a professional to do this. Not to mention that Ramms is one of those over at BFN that has bashed some of those in Natalee's family in the past.
I wonder if Beth knows.
If this is all true, ofcourse.
First of all, I am doing this translating because it is the right thing to do and for no other reason. Secondly, I am not being paid for my translating. I worked hours and hours at those translations and it is a labor of love, not of financial gain.
And last but not least, I have not bashed some of Natalee's family at BFN or any other blog. I think highly of Beth is almost all her endeavors. Does it mean I agree with everything she says or does? No, but that does not mean I don't think she has been a rock in this whole ordeal and needs to be applauded for her fighting spirit and her unwaivering determination.
Rammstein
BFN is no longer the true BFN at birth. The current BFN is "Box For Natalee", and no longer the "Blog For Natalee". The BFN Forum has become so soft and tender to Joran, and never a harsh word is allowed. Debbe's mind has been corrupted some long time ago for commercial reasons. She blogs like a used car sales lady. Robin has been boxed in and softened and trnasformed by Debbe to please the invaders and enemies of Natalee. BFN Debbe is in the process of boxing up Natalee as a Lagacy, and package Natalee for sale. All the Furors for demanding the arrest of Joran are gone. This is what Debbe want for the closure. Just like Greta. Commercialization of Natalee, and softening the Justice for Natalee. And box Natalee up for sale.
Is is true that leaders of Refugees were invited to attended this meeting and that BFN posters Reality and MIP6 post at Refugees under other nics???
Peter, I've been told different. I was told you are being paid by Natalee's parents to translate the documents. People have gone behind you and translated and found where you've made some huge mistakes. If you post one word wrong it could change the document completely. Be aware people, the documents at BFN are not translated correctly.
I recall you saying many not so nice things about Natalee's family.
Read this Peter:
I normally give people the benefit of the doubt but my willingness to give Beth Twitty that benefit is quickly running out, and it's purely due to her and her entourage’s behavior who are according to me are becoming a hindrance to the case and are no longer part of the solution.
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/oct/article161.html
And this one peter, this makes it right even if he didn't play with real money?
yes, he got permission to play poker, a poker tournament (free poker tournament). He wasn't allowed (from what I have heard) to gamble with real money, just poker in the free tournaments.
Peter, you have no morals. You are on these blogs for a reason and that's not Natalee. What is it?
Us Americans are sick of people like you. Get off the blogs and leave finding Natalee to the people who have morals.
That I have made (huge) mistakes in my translations is total BS. You are talking total nonsense.
Secondly, I had an opinion almost a year ago based on that what I know/thought I knew for sure. For the most part I still stand behind that opinion. You can come on strong and you can come on too strong and at that moment in time I thought the people who had joined her in her struggle to find answers were coming on too strong and I was especially talking about mr. Joe M. who was IMHO then hindering the process by his opinions and his threats.
A lot changes in a year and I have somewhat altered a few opinions and I have always been very upfront about them.
And my opinions regarding playing in a free tournament with fake money is still the same. I don't have a big problem with that as long as it isn't with real money. If you don't like that opinion fine, but I still stand by it.
And my morals are fine, it shows shows you don't have an idea what I am like or who I am.
And at least I have the guts to use my name on my posts. Whether I use Rammstein or Peter van der Vliet, I am taking my stand and sticking my name on it, not anonymous.
And I am pretty darned sure I am going to stay on the blogs and will most assuredly do my bit in the quest to find Natalee and to make sure justice is served in her case. And that you are sick of me is your problem, not mine.
Victims Cry on fugees makes it very clear her and Robin are GOOD FRIENDS!
My thoughts would be VC was invited.
Robin enjoys seeing Beth bashed, now that the tables are turned, she doesn't like it. But, she brought this on her ownself. She is the one that started the drama at BFN. She is the one who thanked the bashers. She is the one crying now because Michelle refuses to remove the post.
Robin, this is not about you! You saw Natalee twice a year and you want to be Natalee's Step-Angel?
You're far from it dear. You've shown how much you care in your words!
God Bless Natalee
Boycott Aruba
REALITY'S BLOGS FOR NATALEE POSTS
REALITY DEFENDS JORAN
Reality believes the slandering of Joran can be blames on the American Right Wing media …..
Interesting post, but how is the conclusion arrived at that Joran was wild ?
From what I have read, seen and heard, this young fellow seems pretty normal, nothing wilder than the MB Kids that were on Aruba.
In fact, a little pussy-cat when compared to kids that age that I have seen and don't even begin to tell me that does not apply to kids from the US.
One has to take much of the slandering of this kid with a pinch of salt, these are enuendos put forth by the Right Wing US Media, much the same as was applied to the alledged victim of Duke.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4006.msg121427
REALITY DEFENDS THE REFUGEES
But the vast majority of the Refugees are just nice people wanting the TRUTH of what happened to Natalee.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4454.30
REALITY AND THE BOYCOTT
I have to agree with you on this, in my tried and tested opinion the only achievment the Boycott can claim is that of offending innocent Aruban People and hampering the investigation.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?action=search2
REALITY AND THE MOUNTAIN BROOK BRATS
Those MB Brats, I wonder if they have started talking yet, possibly in the last year, whilst in the real world and away from the bosoms of their Mama's ?
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4226.msg148163#msg148163
Yes it is very strange that a Senator had to basically, URGE them to co-operate.
That doesn't make any sense, don't you think ?
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4454.30
You will stay on BFN only because Debbie Gravy allows it. You should have been kicked to the curb long ago! If it were my blog you would have been, trust me.
The above poster made some interesting points. You are a basher and you've been busted along with Robin, hahaha
There is talk that BFN and Refugees is merging. Can someone confirm this?
I was told Robin and Victims Cry along with Debbie has discussed this at great length.
RAMM DEFENDS JORAN
well, I still don't know if Joran was anti-american. I simply do not know. He might be a bit angry (or a lot angry) for the way he has been treated from US citizens and the press (death-threats and the likes) but wether or not he was anti-american before may 30th I wouldn't know.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=2498.msg56490;topicseen#msg56490
Someone who is used to lying lies about everything, even if he or she has done nothing wrong. It is the fate of the compulsive liar, and I am pretty sure that Joran is a compulsive liar too.
http://bfnbackup.16.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=1577&highlight=#1577
RAMM DEFENDS PAULUS
his inconsistent lies? I have never heard him (though I could be wrong ) being very inconsistent with his statements.
His son, yes, he lied like it was going out of fashion but he cannot help it if his son lies to the police.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4461.msg143724#msg143724
That was denied by Paul (him ever having said that) and again, Joran was already home at that moment in time. How can he go and pick up a son that is safely sitting at home?
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4461.msg143729#msg143729
he only briefly looked at some sites, downloading a few pictures. Maybe he was just looking for pictures. That is what people do who go to Google images you know (at least that is what I do when looking for pictures ) because if PvdS had been looking for articles/information he would have used google.com proper and given a bit more specific search-queries IMHO like "alcohol XTC" "or "alcohol drugs" etc.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4561.msg145333#msg145333
first of all Paul van der Sloot briefly perused through websites, not actually took time to study any of the websites.
secondly, Paul may have been working/reading about a case for his job about alcohol/drugs and young people
third, we all know that Paul was about to be axed from his training/substitute judgeship. He might have looked at the website of a prospective new employer.
and last but not least we now know that Paul did not pick up Joran at 4am. At 3.25am he was MSN-talking to Deepak and afterwards he visited several other websites (among other a porn site).
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4561.msg144983#msg144983
this has nothing to do with believe but with the facts. Fact is that Paul barely had the pages open long enough to read them.
And we don't even know what kind of law-firm he was looking at.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4561.msg144988#msg144988
RAMM DEFENDS THE JUDGES
IMHO there have been no improper judicial decisions. All the decisions were made in accordance with law and jurisprudence.
The judge may only use as evidence the materials that are presented during trial. If the DA doesn't do what it is supposed to do and present "legal and convincing" evidence then no judge will rule for the prosecution.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4461.msg141447#msg141447
maybe the judge was right, he read the statements the suspect made. Dompig (in my honest opinion) might have been translating like a kindergarten pupil.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4400.msg137871#msg137871
He had the case files/statements and we didn't. If the DA felt so strongly she could have easily appealed but to our best knowledge she didn't. Only DA's who have no convincing evidence fail to appeal a decision.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4400.msg137874#msg137874
RAMM DEFENDS ALE
in other words, a man in a dark uniform was described, not a dark-skinned man. Why the police then arrested 2 dark skinned guards was probably because of their "detective work" and not because the K2 brothers had fingered black coloured men.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4356.msg139097#msg139097
if Natalee had never been in the main house and only possibly have been in the appartement, what reasoning did the police have to search the dwelling where Natalee had never set foot in?
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4436.msg138402#msg138402
RAMM AND THE MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY
I have reservations with some of the things Beth Twitty claims, she constantly says she has evidence but never produces it, she claims to have tapes (or at least Skeeter has) but so far they have not produced them to the legal authorities, sources say those tapes were made way before Joran was released (even before the re-arrest of the Kalpoes) and then one wonders why it took so long to refer to these tapes, claims Beth and Jug make on the sensationalistic news-shows without any proof.
But my biggest disbelieve is the story they are telling about the first night, she and her husband Jug claim that Joran took Jug to the side that first night and told him all about what he and Natalee had done the night before, even about the sex etc. Now I may have some faith in some of her claims but this one is totally unbelievable in my eyes. Why would Joran take the father (stepfather but who cares) to the side and confess things he didn't even confess too in hours of intense questioning by gangs of police officers in 12 or 13 hour sessions of questioning?? I am sorry but what Beth, Jug and their friends are claiming was said during that first night, I don't put much stock in their stories/declarations.
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/oct/article161.html
REALITY CLAIMS NO EVIDENCE OF FOUL PLAY
From what I have been reading over the past 15 months, there is absolutely no evidence of foul play
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4670.msg158480#msg158480
REALITY PROMOTES ARUBA
Dear Curves,
I am truly saddened that you have allowed your fine organization to be swayed to a very small minority of hate mongers & xenophobes who for the most part have never even set foot in Aruba let alone even heard of Aruba prior to May 31st, 2005.
You’re pulling of the Aruba sweepstakes speaks volumes to a company being swayed by lies & fabrications.
As an American citizen living in Aruba for many years now let me give you a perspective that none of the “protest” emails can even come close to.
Aruba is by far the safest island destination in the Caribbean.
Aruba’s judicial system is based on Dutch law, world renowned as a fair and balanced system.
Aruba’s people are highly educated individuals where most here speak at least 3 to 5 languages.
Aruba has had ONE missing person in the last year, and that person may not even be a victim of a crime.
You have done your valued customers a disservice by pulling your Aruba sweepstakes by depriving them the opportunity to truly experience what an island paradise really is.
If you would like more information about the real Aruba please email at the following and I will be more than happy to set the record straight with facts not the fiction you have based your decision on to pull your Aruba Sweepstakes.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=2854.150
"To the righteous He said, "'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.' Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to me."
Matthew 25:34-40
Everyone - please read this and ask yourself if you have personally lived up to this when it comes to supporting the Holloways and Beth Twitty. Ask yourself if those closest to you in this effort really and honestly have. I will be the first to admit that I've royally blown this myself, and not too long ago, and with spectacularly bad results. I will be the first to admit that there is something that drives people crazy about this whole affair if they're not careful, and I will be hanged if I can figure out why. Everyone has done their part to help Natalee and her family. But I can't help but think of the parable of the seeds: how many of us will produce fruit thirtyfold? Sixtyfold? An hundredfold? Fighting amongst ourselves- and against the family (let's remember they're in uncharted waters here, as we all are)- is not going to do any good at all. All you are doing is making those idiots at Refugees think they're actually accomplishing something.
What is more important - the opinions of our friends or what the family wants to happen? Are website hits more important than finding Natalee? Will we look back on this a decade from now and think, "We did a great job" or will we look back and lament what we did wrong?
I know what choices I'm going to make. And nothing is going to keep me away from helping. I'm not here to make friends. I'm not here to do things my way. I'm here to help bring Natalee home - and nothing is going to stop me from doing just that. I would like to think the rest of you are as dedicated and selfless, too.
I do believe Joran is the Anti-Christ because her mother's name is Anita. I do believe BFN is Anti-Natalee because Debbie G. is a waxxer. Debbie was once Natalee's grand angel turned awry by greed and jealousy. She tempted Robin's soft spot for fame, and waxxed Robin up to play antagonist against Beth, embarass Dave and disgraced Meri. She pressured Michelle to withdraw Meri's post, in the name of Dave's wish. Now as all we can see when you listening on BFN, they are downplaying Joran and Natalee to the insignificance. They are beginning to build a romance story to intimate Joran and Natalee together, and Robin will be Natalee's mother to approve their marriage. No, Joran is still the kidnaper, druggist, rapist, and murderer to all our true Americans even as Debbie G. going to mourn Joran no looger the suspect as ordered by the Aruban Judge Rik Smid on November 1. Indeed Natalee is unrecoverable, but her spirit is eternally with us, we will avenge for her by means of boycotting the Dutch products. I am expanding Michelle's list with more items that I find Dutch and let other people know. Yes, it is so easy to do by the words of the mouth, I have found out people are so inclinded to Aruban Boycott just for Natalee's sake. We are way beyond Holland and Aruba. For example, our families are not buying any Holland made nutcrackers and gingerbreads, and not eating any Dutch import sausages and cheese balls. We can all just not buying the Dutch produce to help Natalee come home. Simple as that.
I do have to say there is some very creative writings here... fiction for sure.
Some comments I have read here honestly border on lunacy.
BFN and RU are not merging, that will never happen. BFN has and will continue to support Natalee and her family.
My suggestion... if you do not like BFN stay away. I also suggest that lies told about me cease.
I really think some of you have way to much time on your hands.
"I really think some of you have way to much time on your hands."
Look who's talking crackerhead!
I’m trying to think of one good reason I should give a chit about BFN or any of the bloated egos that post at that site on a regular basis, but I can’t.
However, I am curious about this not so secret meeting scheduled for the end of the month. Does anyone know anything worthwhile about that?
Also, I thought Red at SM had the direct pipeline to the statements and Klaasend was doing her best to translate them from Dutch to English. Once they would publish them I think Debbie would take them to BFN where Ramm would do his thing. Is that not correct? Do the statements come from two different sources?
Anonymous said...
Tell us more about this clandestine meeting scheduled for the end of the month! Does this have anything to do with what Dave Holloway said on the Pretzer show? Something about a bigger presence on the internet? Who are the players involved with this rendezvous’?
Thu Oct 05, 08:27:22 AM EDT
I'd like to know also, can you give us more details?
Debbie and Ramm sittin' in a tree...
Debbie, your version of the word 'support' is total lunacy. You should be ashamed of yourself and your actions. You may bullshit Dave and Robin, but you aint foolin the rest of us. You got what you deserved. You are left with a handful of morons that have no desire to see justice done. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!! Debbie, somehow your little romantic desire to have an relationship with Reality has clouded your vision and unfortunately slowed the quest to find out what happened to Natalee. You know its true. How's the phone sex? Not with Robin, but with Reality! Debbie you suck. Plain and Simple.
Ramm, you're one of the net's biggest losers, you think you can just change your views on a dime and people will believe you are a changed man? Get off the couch and get a job. Stop screwin with people that are trying to help a missing person and her mother.
of all the low-lifes involved in the case, you and Debbie sure take the cake.. only you ate the whole thing.
Robin's Thank You Post!
Hello everyone at BFN! I rarely post, but think it is a good time now. Our main focus should be finding out what happened to Natalee. Dave and I are very frustrated. It has been close to 500 days she has been missing and we have received no current updates regarding the investigation status in a long time.
I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also. I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
I hate that the boycott has caused pain for the innocent people in Aruba. We never dreamed we would still be here after so much time has gone by without any answers.
Debbie and the mods here are teriffic and thank you so much for all you at BFN have done for us! We still have the helpfindnatalee@comcast.net set up for tips, so keep them coming if anyone can help us get an answer.
Robin
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4634.msg149180#msg149180
Don't leave this post out! Debbie verified Robin made that post and included that Mark Purcell checked out things in Aruba for the family! Un-freakin-believable
I can verify the Robin is Robin Holloway... I can also verify that Meri was, and probably still is, going to "out" BFN. A few if us have known this for a few days. The names listed by Robin are the ones that she plans to belittle.
Ramm is a wonderful person and our translator... thank him for ALL the translations that we have.
Reality may have come off as bad to some but he has been a great friend to me and has helped me a lot behind the scenes looking for stuff.
Gagirl has be a God-send to me, I was going insane trying to work and watch the forum during the day, it was taking a toll on me.
MIP6 has answered panicked messages to check something out for the family in Aruba... which he has done of a few occasions.
Robin's post was in no way saying that others here are not outstanding, she was just defending the ones that Meri has in her sights.
I am proud of so many of you and I am so glad that you are part of the BFN family. I do not have the words to express how wonderful I think you all are.
Yolibee and Brandig28.... thank you too for all the hard work and dedication you have shown.
Why didnt Debbie thank Joran and Oduber too?
OK, Fine. You have stated in the meantime that the grassroots movement is a great succes, but you haven't stated any numbers. What do you call succes? I don't mean to put pressure, but do you have a global figure for us?
'Cause my brother's friend just came back from honeymooning in Aruba, and apparently the Radisson has been slidly booked this past July/August. September seems to be their historical 'low season month', so I wouldn't know what the 'grass roots movement' would have as per an impact on their tourism. Furthermore, I am concerned that there isn't enough of a drop off in tourism. With the figures I have seen so far, I undrstand that till June of this year they have a drop-off of about 10%. Taking into account that the last 2-3 years Aruba received in the vicinity of 1.1 million guests (cruiseship and stay-over guests), that would mean that they would still reach between 900.000 and 1 million guests. And apparently, they are receiving less cruiseships, but they are still receiving more cruiseguests then last year...
If by December this year, the figures show that they have a better December than last year, that would mean that by the end of 2007, they will have again a year like 2005, which would mean, goodbye to the 'natalee-effect'.
So my concern is this: Do you have hundreds, thousands or tens of thousands of people in the grass roots movement. Anything less than the latter would mean that the movement is nothing more that a drop of water on the huge forest fire.
Why is it also important? Because in the media, the attention has slipped away now. Except for Nancy Grace (of whom I am still certain that she only uses this for her ratings, sorry, my opninion), nobody else mentions Natalee.
As per you and Meri, I hope that Meri understands that you as a person, is somebody else, than you as the blogger. The fact that you were forced/coerced/tricked/whatever into taking of the post of Meri, should not have any concequences tou your personal relationship.
And she should understand that whatever you do on this site, is in the name of Natalee (and her family), and not to hurt Meri or anybody else who has helped you the past year.
I have to say honestly that I don't agree with most of what you say, as per Aruba, the investigation, the Netherlands (Holland is but a province of the Netherlands), but whatever you have said/done/posted, it was very obvious that you had the welfare of Natalee in your mind.
So wether we are in agreement on a lot of posts or not, I personally would be very dissapointed if you would not be running this site on a daily basis anymore.
Hoping you reconsider,
John C.
Also, just so you know, except for your site, most other 'natalee' sites are alomost dead as per activity. So it would be a shame to see this site alsp go into 'lala-land'
John C.
How about this one Debbie!
Looks like he helped you alright he help put that knife in the Holloway/Twitty's.
"I posted the same thing on that site a while back about Dave not sharing in the funds raised after someone else posted that Dave had set up a trust for his use and I wondered why the home page had that information on it as is was misleading, all the BHT followers blew it off as no big deal.
I felt it was/is a big deal as it leads one to believe that all the Twitty / Holloway efforts would benefit from your generous donation to the Amsouth trust. More spinning and deception."
10-20-2005, 03:01 PM
MIP6
New Member Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 16
BHS
I heard the Holloway's are against the Boycott and that's what this meeting is about. They are pulling out of the boycott.
Certain people have convinced them that J2k are innocent and Aruba has done no wrong.
Be prepared for the fireworks the beginning of November.
Natalee and Matt are MB kids - does Reality consider them Brats?
It is truly mind-boggling that there are any posters left over on BFN. Reality has been a Beth basher and vulgar poster, bashes Mt. Brook kids ( one of whom was Natalee, so you know how sympathetic he must be), Ramm is an anti-American, anti-Semite, anti- anything NOT Dutch or Aruban. Defending the rediculous laws of the Nevergotherelands, bashing Israel for defending herself, telling us how the amoralality of the Dutch is not wrong, it is BETTER than the American Puritanical way, causes less crime, drug addiction etc. He is one sicko shut-in, still living in his adult years with his "muter", bilking the Holloways with his inaccurate translations, what a thief!!! MIP6, a total creep, interested only in his "hotel" business and the shady "saloons" in Aruba that drug American female tourists, as well as Aruban young women for the purpose of being used for RAPE or WHITE SLAVERY, PROSTITUTION!!! GaGirl, a vicious bitch, who bashes Beth, Natalee, and every good poster, while she is given the position of MODERATOR????? on BFN?? If that doesn't clinch the deal, people who still post over there, trust and stand up for Debbie, I must tell you, you are BLIND!!!!! Who, over there, has not PM'd someone, discussing the evils of Reality? The irrationality of Ramm? The questionablity of Gagirl? The certain untrustworthiness of Tourism people in Aruba? But, Robin, loves these people, commends and publicly thanks them?? If anyone didn't question Robin's intelligence before that post, my God, how could you not question it NOW???? How could you not realize that BFN has become a complete SHAM, when the 4 people mentioned are not only permitted ( which should have been your FIRST clue) but glorified on that site. Do you really respect that site? Do you really respect Debbie for allowing this to be DONE to this site? And, above all, those of you Loyal BFN'rs, do you respect yourselves??
If the Holloway's are against the Boycott now and that's what this meeting is about.
The Dutch posters that have taken over BFN have brain washed them.
Robin did leave Natalee alone on the beach.How Sad.
Excellent post Auntiem.
Sam, I'm sure Robin has been brainwashed. She's know's what the three have said according to what I've read above.
Debbie is more disrespected then Robin is because she pulled Robin into a trap. Debbie wanted to be famous but not in this way. She wanted to be thanked daily and wanted to tell her followers that she speaks to the family often. She wanted something but didn't get. God knew what she was up to and he is punishing her now with all the lashing out of the true Natalee supporters.
Reality is a sick man that has charmed Robin enough to make her thank him personally. Enough to share family photo's with him. Enough to talk with him on the phone often.
Mark Purcell has an agenda. I believe he knows something about Natalee's disappearance he will never share or he will disappear too. He has convinced Robin to trust him.
Ramm is an unemployed wanna be professional. He gets all of his words from googleing. Auntiem has him down pat. Read above.
Robin, you've been targeted because you are sweet and many know they can and have taken advantage of you.
This wouldn't have happened to Beth. That's not a strike against you, just the truth. You and Beth are totally different. She is tough and strong, you are sweet, soft and easily swayed.
Where are you and Dave in the search for Natalee other than on the blogs? One would think you would be on the news trying to get attention back to this case. Beth can't do it all. She speaks every chance she gets.
My advice to you and Dave would be get the ball rolling again with the media. Show the world you support the boycott and ask people to continue boycotting. I hope it's not true that you two are withdrawng from the boycott at the meeting your having this month.
Justice For Natalee
Boycott Aruba
It seems that those who have no idea what's going on wants to know where the "meeting" is at, when, what will be discussed, who will be there...guess what? You'll never find out.
It's going to be big fun for those starf--kers when they get their autographs and pictures taken.
Look at me! I met so-and-so! They can put it up in their trailers.
Joyce---
Can I get an amen???
This must be a BFN meeting with Dave and Robin.
Amen!
Zimbaby, many act like they are meeting a rock star. Many people are worshiping these people. They will bow down at their feet. They forget this family has lost a child. Beth and Dave have a loss many can't relate to. Robin may hurt but Natalee is not her child. She has caused un-necessary drama.
Look at me! I met so-and-so! They can put it up in their trailers.
AMEN!
haven't these comments gone a little to far? i mean the bashing of natalee's loved one. it's just like when people piled on beth, it's just plain wrong. all four parents are under stress, forgive and forget, for those dear people are all in pain. people are jumping to conclusions about a meeting just because one person was not comfortable with who was going. we all know that the family has been taken advantage of, but i have faith that it will all work out. don't go to the dark side like the murderers and their supporters want. find natalee.
John C:
EVERY single person that joins the boycott movement is a blow to Aruba and their economy. The numbers are growing and that's happening every single day. Every person who requests a boycott package is a person who won't go to Aruba and who may tell other people not to go there.
Every person who displays a sticker in public may influence other people not to go there.
It may jog the memories of those who aren't hearing about Natalee in the media anymore so every time you drive down the street with a sticker you are making a difference.
If ONLY ten people were a part of the movement (and there are many, many more than that), you could be influencing many, many more that we don't even know about.
Is this movement "worth it"? well, as long as we have no answers as to what happened to Natalee and as look as her Mother continues to fight to find her it is MORE than "worth it". It is essential.
Shelby M.
Anonymous said...
just because one person was not comfortable with who was going.
If you're refering to Meri's words, listen to what she says. She speaks the truth and from her heart. She know's more than you think or has ever let out on the blog. She never says anything that she can't back up.
The truth hurts doesn't it, but we all want the truth.
A few months ago I met a remarkable lady. She's one of a kind. She stands up for what she believes in. She speaks out to the world from her heart. She has a full schedule at home but finds time to support Beth in her desperate search for Natalee. She has put her heart and soul into her research for Natalee. She's the kind of spirit that sticks with you and her courage is a symbol to us all. She's one of the 'strongest, most passionate and intelligent women I've come to know. She's the fairest lady of all. She's God's gift to Natalee's case. She has love and compassion for everyone. Her compassion for living beings, her desire to save them from suffering, means the world to me. Her name is Meri. I'm glad to call you friend.
As we walk our path of life, we meet people everyday. Most are simply met by chance. But, some are sent our way. These become special friends whose bond we can't explain. So, these friends, God sends our way, remain forever near. Whenever I need a shoulder Meri's there to catch my tears.
Love you Meri
Faith
People do Aruban Boycott have a very clear logical and patient mind. People love Natalee, and they cannot forgive Joran. Joran is the Unforgiven Dutch who had raped the whole America. I am just one of those common folks who sees the Injustice in the Open View. So I and my friends got a very clear objective which is to ArubanBoycott For Natalee. BFN is banging and raping Natalee as all the people can see, BFN is the pimpnette operating in a very subtle and devilous way. BFN Debbie is supporting the 1/11 clearance of Joran's guilt, and she is part of the Anti-Natalee Movement organised by Joe T. and Greta. BFN Debbie is the original real culprit who has poisoned Robin's mind, who in turn in pressuring Dave to call for this meeting to announce that he is no longer for the ArubanBoycott. And Meri is speaking the truth, and Michelle is doing the right thing for Natalee. Robin openly said Meri and Michelle are not welcome to this special meeting that had touched out this implosion. Like I said I will not vote for the Republican on November 7, I don't care about the 1/11 either; I just like many other Americans have to passion to ArubanBoycott the Dutch products. As all you can see, the Christmas season all ready shows people are not buying the Dutch corruption and lies and obstructon of justice. The whole Republican Congress are covering up the Foley Page Sex Scandal. Foley so happens has alot to do with the Aruban Dutch companies in South Florida. Is this a coincidence?
I had lived in south eastern Texas for a long time. Had been to Alabama a couple times. Never heard of the "Hitler" word down there. Joran Paulus is the Liar who spreads the Hitler story. This is one of the 1000 reasons that the American people are passionately ArubanBoycotting the Dutch. The Dutch had destroyed the Airbus 380 reputation by counterfeiting the cruicial cabin lockdown safety component parts. The mid section cabin vibrates when decending from high thin air stratosphere at certain procedures as required by all the jumbo jets.
i was referring to meri's words, but that doesn't mean that i question her feelings or motives. i don't. she like a lot of people just want justice for natalee. i check in here because i support the boycott of aruba and natalee's family. family members and helpers may differ in the ways to achieve the same goal. that's no reason for outsiders on this particular comment section to question any family member's motive. i'm sure the j2k's would like nothing better than natalee's supporters to be bickering.
The FIX just motivate people eagerly want to boycott Aruba Dutch. People ditch the door prize coupon for a $1.00 Heineken. They ordered the Cheese Fries, and no more Dutch Cream Mushrooms for appetizers. One gal cut out and dumped her Dutch Bank credit Shell card. She is not playing the poker games with the Dutch old man anymore. Period.
Anonymous asks... haven't these comments gone too far?..... then mentioned bashing of Natalee's loved one ( I assume, this means Robin)First of all, the comments went too far, when Beth bashers were allowed by Debbie to post on BFN, the comments went too far when Robin praised the most evil people, not only on BFN, but on the Internet. As far as bashing Robin, this lady was possibly used and abused, in the most tragic way, by Debbie on BFN, long before one word was ever posted against her and her transparent, contrived and disasterous post on BFN. Whether it was done out of innocence, ie., she allowed herself to be "duped" by strangers to publiclly manipulate her words or she was herself "duped" by these known Beth bashing bloggers, makes no difference. She has gotten involved with the enemies of her husbands ex-wife, she KNOWS that! And in doing THAT, she has, IMO, to quote an esteemed writer,...once again.."left Natalee on the beach".... She is not a child, she is a grown woman! When an adult makes a mistake, truly makes a mistake, the ONLY thing to do is to step up to the plate, speak up like a woman, and OPENLY make an apology to the person she has offended. We have ALL seen this done here!! We have ALL been witness to a WOMAN eating a giant piece of "humble pie". (And under circumstances, that most of us were totally unaware of.) But we ARE all aware of Robin's faux pas (to be kind) Is she ABOVE doing the same, making an apology, or EVEN a retraction? No, I don't believe ABOVE is quite the positon she is in..... you, folks, can fill in the place where YOU think she is..... I know where I believe her position is......... and she is cranning her neck!!!
Shelby
Sorry, but I disagree. If you think that 10 or even hundreds of people will make a difference, you got it all wrong. Although tourism in Aruba is down, I haven't heard of any big scale (or even small scale, for that matter) lay-offs at any of the hotels. So how can it be a blow. And with all the media attention, plus the "gazillion" anti-Aruba, Pro-Natalee websites that were and are around, and there is on;ly a 10% drop-off so far? Don't forget, it's not only the total amount of poeple who have joined the movement that concern me, it is also the following: How many of these 'grass roots boycotters ever had any desire to go to Aruba in the first placce? Just assume that the grass roots movement has 10.000 people in it. But 70% of them never had any plans anyways to go to Aruba. That leaves only 3.000 whom Aruba really will 'miss'. (please don't hold me on the figures, I am just using them to make a point. For all i know the grass roots movement has more than 1 million already). I would wait to see the numbers as per Aug - Nov, so we can compare them with the numbers of last year to see if there has really been an impact, since that period last year was already on the drop.
Also, putting a sticker on a bumper won't just persuade a person not to go to Aruba. There has been a no-smoking sticker in our office for 5 years already, and even with the new laws forcing smokers to smoke outside of the building, still most of them will also fire up one (or more) inside. So I will need more than 10 (or even more than that) people with stickers on their bumpers).
And also, I asked for a global number, which I still haven't seen. It is more honest to say: "hey, this is the number we've got. now we know it ain't much yet, but we are hoping to be there in about 12 months", then it is to say: "the movement is growing everyday, but we refuse to give numbers, because we don't want you to see how small it is yet".
Don't forget, if today I had one person, tomorrow 2 and the day after 3, then yes, the movement is growing everyday, but not by very much.
My other point as per a boycott is, what do we hope the boycott will achieve? How can the fact that less tourists go to Aruba make the police work harder on the case? A 'worst-case' scenario would be that tourism goes down so much that the government of Aruba has to lay-off people, amongst them police, who then cannot anymore work on the case.
Just hypothetisizing.
John C.
Anybody who says Justice 4 Natalee
FIRST & FOREMOST, and the drama queens -- to the back of the bus
for a hot cup of STFU...
I am with you.
Keep turning up that NOISE people.
Let us work together, it makes
it ONE LOUDER!
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Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
Marty DiBergi: I don't know.
Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven.
Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder!
;) -J4N-
To clear up some misinformation that is being spread around the Internet I wanted to explain a few things.
I blogged about MIP6 (Mark Purcell and his many other names), and Reality (and his many other names) because they can have a direct impact on this boycott movement. MIP6 has been encouraging people to "invest" in Aruba and he works on Aruba and is friendly with Julia Renfro so my exposing him for the anti-boycott, anti Holloway/Twitty poster that he is, was important and necessary.
My reasons for doing a very short blog on Reality are also obvious because he has said many negative things about one of Natalee's family members on various sites.
I NEVER attempted to "Out" Rammenstein (or whatever names he may go by) because he is simply NOT important and is NO threat to this movement. He is simply a man who likes to hear the sound of his own voice (or read his own words in this case) and is of no importance to me whatsoever. I did have a Dutch citizen from The Netherlands who TEACHES English as a second language translate a couple of the documents that Ramm claims to have translated and this TEACHER found several errors in the translations. Errors that could and did change the relevance of the document. That may have occurred because Ramm is not proficient in his own language or for some nefarious reason unknown to me. I simply don't care about Mr. Rammenstien and yet he protests and protests about what I have written. He is not even a part of what I have written yet he places himself in the center of everything for whatever reasons he may have.
I am guessing that Mr. Rammenstien needs a lot of attention and I feel sorry for him.
Anyone who opposes the boycott opposes the family of Natalee in my opinion and deserves to be exposed. That would include MIP6 and Reality so I spoke about them. No matter who the family member is, my goal is to support them and the boycott movement and if by telling the TRUTH about who opposes it helps, then that is what I must do.
Aruba lied. Aruba let the family and Natalee down and as a result of their actions we have no answers regarding what happened to Natalee Holloway.
The boycott is a tool to make them realize that we are serious about finding the truth and that we won't stop until we do. They have a choice; they can tell what they REALLY know and let the truth come out in its entirety or they can continue to lie and cover-up.
As long as they do the latter we will boycott them and make them pay for their behavior in the only way that is productive. Boycotting Aruba is necessary until the truth is known.
Mr. Rammenstien can yammer all he wants to and lie about things he knows nothing about till the cows come home and it won't stop this movement nor will it stop me. He has sufficiently exposed himself in his own words so it is not necessary for me to belabor the point. He is what he is and all who have read his so-called Bio know the facts.
The boycott is for Natalee and her family and it will go forward. Poor Ramm has NO power to stop it and his words are hollow. I have been sent several copies of his recent blogs and if they hadn't of been so laughable I would have cried out in pity at his lack of accurate information.
Oh, and one more thing Ramm, people drink BEER...NOT BEARS. You really should take an English class before you continue to bill yourself as a translator of any language into English.
Meri
Awesome post Meri, Bravo!
I've read through the comments and I have a comment about Robin. First, I want to say I'm a former member of BFN. I left due to distasteful members on BFN and Debbie alloing it.
Robin thanked what she believes are her friends which has caused more than she can handle. She's caught up in BFN's spell and I bet she is having trouble sleeping in the bed she made.
Take some advice Robin and disappear. We all know you speak to Refugees' admin VC. You enjoy seeing Beth bashed there. Beth is Natalee's mother. Shame on you for talking to the hate site's which includes BFN. In the name of Natalee, back off woman. You've done enough harm here.
Michelle, Feel free to leave me a message anytime at any of our blogs and I think you know how to find them. You are a sweetheart. I have followed you and so have many others since you were on RWV and Dan blasted your site when you first started it. I remember. Many others folks that started there own blogs were blasted too by him. But thats okay.
I will never stop blogging for Natalee no matter what anyone says or does.
I will continue to post whatever I feel like. This case will never ever die as long as I am around. You can count on that. The guilty dogs know who they are and they know what they did.
Bless you always !
People love and enjoy ArubanBoycott the Dutch. They stick a few "BOYCOTT ARUBA Justice for Natalee" stickers to the plastic panels on each side of the shopping carts. People just smile when they push the shopping carts into the store. They all agree to Aruba Boycott for Natalee.
Add this to the post i just did. I was nto aware of all the BS that has been going on at BLOGS FOR Natalee. I am appalled at all I read her on your post and I read aabout it First over at RWV. I stop by ther eon occasion and read what a few people that still go there had to say about his incident. Now that I know what has been going on at BFN I am ashamed of them. I thought better of them that what I have heard. How sad. Michelle, you and others (us) are with you and will stick with you through thick and thin. Don't you dare even think abotu stopping OF THIS SITE. IF YOU NEED HELP FROM OTHERS THAT HAVE BLOGS FOR NATALEEE AND HER FAMILY YOU JUST LET US KNOW.
I added the statement "BOYCOTT ARUBA, Justice for Natalee" to my signature box on my email account. Enable the the automatic signature option on my outgoing emails. My good friends emailed me back and said this is cool, and they will do the same.
http://reallycreepypeople.blogspot.com/2006/10/beth-twitty-appears-on-dutch-tv-watch.html#links
Michelle, If you have not already watched this video. Please take the 30 minutes of your time to do so.
Beth looks so pretty and at peace. :O)
Michelle and Meri are both bold and loving woman. They demand strongly the Justice for Natalee direct from Holland. The ArubanBoycott is strong and united. They are not sisiSayers in BFN. Those whimps there are traitors, they are toying the Family pics to satisfy the lust of Ramnie, the lustful Flying By Night Duthman. As told, BFN is the process making deals to publsh Natalee and Joran Paulus for Megadeals. Their languages there are for soft landing paving way for Joran a big welcome to Miami, Florida. Mark Foley has strong ties to the Aruban Dutch Mafia business in Miami and Aruba. The Republican Congress this Sunday morning is issuing a federal warrant to arrest Mark Foley, the disgraced Republican Congressman Page Pedrofile, and put him into the federal custody for his involvement of money laundering in Aruba. The Republican Congress Elders want Mark Foley dead, and make a sacrificial Lamb. Mrak Foley deserves every damn bit of the condemnation, that also goes to Aruba. The Republican Congress is putting a bill in order to boycott the Aruba and Dutch Antilees. Holland is also in trouble, because some Dutch soldiers come forward to testify in Congress about Holland sponsoring the Talliban and stole the opium from the Afgani people. Mark Foley is the evil, so is Aruba and Holland. Boycott Aruba, Dutch, Joran, Julia and Mrak Foley. God bless the Family. Amen.
To this last poster...who are you? You said I can come and visit your blogs...but I don't know who you are? Feel free to leave me a private message.
michellesaysso@sbcglobal.net
Michelle, you are the Goddess of blogs! You are the bomb! You have taken this case and have shown Aruba what American's are made of. I'm so proud of you!
You refuse to give up on Natalee!
You refuse to back down from anyone!
You refuse to allow Aruba to get an upper hand.
You've shown the Holloway's & Twitty's your commitment to the boycott, the family & to Natalee.
Your blog is #1 hun.
Keep on doing what you're doing! You're doing everything RIGHT!
From now on, your title is:
"The Goddess Blogger for Natalee"
Give Beth my love and support. May God lead them to answers very soon.
Keep it up Michelle!
You've made a huge difference.
I look forward in reading your blog daily. There is always informative information here. Your hard work has paid off young lady. Keep it up!
A Boycott Supporter!
Justice For Natalee
Boycott Aruba!
God Bless Natalee's mother! Only she knows the pain, we just see it.
Jack
Jack--
Whoa...that comment was so nice of you. What you wrote has officially made my day. All this negative energy dampers me and you brought me a notch up! Thank you!
To John:
I have no idea how many people are boycotting Aruba. If ONE person is not spending money there then it is a good thing.
Please, that place and their behavior toward Natalee Holloway and her family has no defense. They need to clean up their act and come clean with everyone. Why would anyone feel safe on an Island where the police force act like clowns? From day one of this case we have heard nothing but lies and seen nothing but dishonorable behavior. They have to take responsibility for their actions and if a boycott helps make them do that then a boycott will be the tool of choice. I DO believe that it is working.
Shelby
A post from Reality from BFN
Robin why would you thank him for this.
How does this help Natalee?
Robin open your eyes your on the wrong team.
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Reality
Guest
How do you see it ?
« on: October 22, 2005, 05:10:22 PM »
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In my view, the scenario has literally changed from day to day.
I actually don't know what to believe, on the one hand, there is Beth, who I feel extremely sorry for and have always had positive thoughts concerning the information that has filtered through. This poor lady is going through a living hell. Terrible.
However, I have to say that from, about just after a certain show, I started questioning the content of what I had seen and heard.
Right from the onset, I believed that the Media, predominantly a news channel, that will remain nameless, were sensationalising this to the point of pure spin and any credibility, in my view, to the content of their reports, were somewhat questionable.
But I did continue to believe what I was hearing directly from Beth.
It appears that these boys have been found guilty by the media, and that is it, no further discussion.
It certainly appears to be the case that these 3 boys have either something to do with this "crime" directly or possibly know or have an idea of what actually happened.
But until that can actually be proved, it remains speculation and assumption.
I find it extremely difficult to understand why there is this unbelievable hatred towards, not only these boys, but their parents, their country and people that dare even question certain things.
This indeed is a classic example of “trial by the media”.
There seems to be a situation that the majority, want these boys to be guilty.
That is not justice !
Justice is that the real guilty be brought to book and if it happens to be one of these boys or all 3 boys etc, then they are to be dealt with by the law, but that goes for anyone.
I also do not subscribe to boycotting Aruba, the vast majority of Arubans have no clue what this is all about and it is plainly unfair to punish innocent people. The guilty will merely pack up and leave Aruba if a successful boycott is achieved, leaving innocent people in a state of financial desperation.
That is not fair.
I believe that Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway were left with no other choice but to call for a boycott of Aruba.
The boycott was not an initial response to what Dave and Beth perceived as an agenda by the "powers that be" in the Aruban investigation to distance Paulus and Joran from being implicated in the disappearance of Natalee. This did not happen until seven/eight months later .... when all other options were exhausted and .... media attention began to fade. Natalee parents were not about to let the disappearance of their daughter fade from media attention and .... become a cold case. They had made the decision to motivate the Aruban people into being pro active .... to assure that justice prevailed.
Without an alternative means ..... not supporting the boycott implies that you are furthering the Aruban agenda .... Natalee Holloway case will fade from media attention and become a cold case and .... there will be no accountability.
Janet AKA TAMIKOSMOM
Natalee's Family and the Boycott
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/08/national/main1025538.shtml
November 8, 2005
Gov. Bob Riley called for a nationwide travel boycott of Aruba on Tuesday on behalf a missing Alabama teenager's family, who accuse the island's government of not fully cooperating with the investigation into her disappearance.
Dave Holloway and the Boycott
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175925,00.html
November 17, 2005
HOLLOWAY: ..... I made sure that the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can't help you anymore.
Beth Twitty and the Boycott
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page2.shtml
March 25, 2005
Last fall, Twitty called for a boycott of Aruba. The island’s tourism industry has suffered: Travel bookings are off more than 4 percent from a year ago.
Does she still support a boycott of Aruba?
"The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott," says Twitty.
Senator Steve French
http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-18/1137707351114580.xml&storylist=alabamanews
"It's my hope this will cause the Aruban people to be more demanding that their officials conduct a thorough investigation" French said.
Dave Holloway and the Media
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html
VAN SUSTEREN: Did the media help or hurt you?
HOLLOWAY: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.
Senator Steve French
http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-18/1137707351114580.xml&storylist=alabamanews
"It's my hope this will cause the Aruban people to be more demanding that their officials conduct a thorough investigation" French said
I will say the CNN and FOX have most of the opposte views. Only that they don't dare to mention the ArubanBoycott cuz they know ArubanBoycott is anti-corruption. ArubanBoycott has become an under the horizon political tidal wave that all the politicians know about. In next four weeks you will see some politicians will quote ArubanBoycott in their speeches attacking their opponents. We have to make sure ArubanBoycott don't take sides in the political debates. ArubanBoucott is for Natalee only.
deb357.....hmmm I wonder where these personal photos came from? Who provided Reality with these pictures? It truly is a shame!!! Poor Beth, how would she feel knowing she must share her precious child's upbringing with someone who would do this?
Damnit! The karma says Boycott Aruba!
I am proud to say I am a member of BFN and have been since June 05 and I have NEVER seen Debbie or any of the mods allow anyone to bash any member of Natalee's family,I have seen a few people join to try and bash them but they are always stopped.
Like any forum or blog where you have so many people from different parts of the world with different beliefs everyone is not always going to agree,It would be very boring If we all agreed on everything.
There are so many caring people at BFN who have worked so hard to try to find answers. it makes me sad to read some of the things people have said here and at other forums about them,I can only imagine how much it hurts them to read it :(
People really need to stop and think before they post things that are going to hurt other people whether it is BFN members & Debbie or Michelle & Meri or Natalee's family,
This is all so wrong and in no way is helping to find out what happened to Natalee.
"Arubans have no clue"
Now there's the Understatement of the Year! (i'm thinking of framing it)
AWWW boo hoo the media's to blame now too, sensationatizing the story.
What a crock.....all the camera did was preserve for all time ALE'S 2 faced lies. You wanna talk sensatiional? Who the hell could Ever forget the first days of a bloody mattress, duct tape & hair, armbone, hell everthing but the kitchen sink. It was Aruban's who sent this family & their supporters on wild goose chases. One of the most bizzare is where an Aruban approaches US Tim Miller saying to go to a hole dug in the sand & it's the same size as a grave yet it was empty. Your locals are moving Natalee's body all over Aruba & you wanna talk media?? Just STFU coz NOTHNG"S going to stop us from being in your face.
Aruba's Been Punked Bitch!
If you dumb arubans let those guilty dutch ditch you & let you pay for what they did then you deserve what you get!
Lord! Let fast for 2 days. Heal my upset stomach. I'll ArubanBoycott the Dutch to death.
angelic1 from BFN up the Prozac and water down the Kool Aid!!! Then get a reading teacher, and go into counseling. and stay away from the Blogs, it has gotten to you Dear!!!
Deb357 said...
angelic1,
Carter/Reality/Alvin and MIP6/DocHolliday are the two worse family bashers over at BFN I had ever witnessed.
Reality, not just on BFN, Refugees, but other sites, in the past I read, would call Natalee a slut and whore.
Saying she deserved what she got. That if any female would leave with 3 strangers on an island she must be a slut and whore and she deserved everything that happened to her. That it was all her own fault. I personally read this with my own two eyes that he wrote across the internet about Natelee. He forgets the fact that, more-than-likely, Natalee was probably drugged. According to Dennis Jacobs, CnCs bartenders are known for drugging drinks, and Dennis Jacobs is a drugs officer.
Reality calls Beth a money whore. A terrorist, and a bad mother for allowing her daughter to go to Aruba. And more.
I have seen MIP6/DocHolliday basically say the same things about Natalee. That it's all Natalee's own fault for leaving with 3 strangers from a bar. She put herself in that position so it's her own fault for her disapperance. She's a slut and whore for letting Joran lick a Jelly shot off her belly. So what's that make Joran for licking her belly and taking a stranger off with him? MIP6 says the same thing about Beth as well.
I have never seen anyone say things like that about Natalee or Beth at BFN,If I had I would never have stayed there ..and as long as I have been there I have never recieved porn
It seems that the BFN'rs have been very busy raising a child and performing a miracle at the same time!! Perhaps it is due to their phony "christianity" and some of Gagirl's witchcraft. But, they are all very pleased with themselves for having turned around the life of Reality. Yes, folks, through their prayers, love and understanding, and especially the maternal instincts of Angelalalala and Andie they have raised that boy up well!!! He is a new person, has found the true soul inside himself that he never knew was there until he was embraced by the loving care of the BFN Family ( I guess none of them have peeked over at RU and seen what their little "darling" aka Alvin is doing over there) but let's not burst their bubble, take away their moment of glory as they bask in the brilliant sunlight eminating from their "accomplishment". Poor Softail, came back from vacation to find this "new" Reality and has decided that he must have brainwashed the whole group, his name for BFN now is "The Reality Cult". This did not set too well with Gagirl, after all nobody is paying any attention to her, so off to the Refuse Pile she goes. But, now , folks, this so called Georgia peach is now neither Fish nor Fowl!!! (Oh, we all know she is foul) but she has been pretending to be a Natalee supporter, which you can imagine makes HER Personna non Grata at RU. Try as she would Trixie could NOT make this non-person get the picture she was not wanted over in the bowels of the blogs. What a slap! Nobody wants Gagirl, EVEN the refugees. Maybe someone will light a candle for her tonight, come ON guys, this is sad, she needs a home, at least ONE friend.. I wonder...hmmm do you think.... Robin would be her friend? Maybe, out of the "goodness" of his new heart the "new Realty" "Leader of the Cult" could call her and ask her. Andie, herself, told me the Holloways are VERY good friends of his!!!!
Ok...this is enough. I'm tired of the subject and closing this comment section. Move on to the boycott, please!
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