TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP ME GOD
By Meri, Aruban Boycott Blogger
In the run up to the interview with Joran on ABC a tape was released by ABC showing both Natalee and Joran in a casino at the same time, at the same table and on the night that she was last seen alive.
They were not sitting next to one another, they did not appear to be a "couple" in any sense of that word. Two kids surrounded by other kids playing a casino-type game. Nothing sinister, nothing suspicious and nothing to indicate that Natalee was falling down drunk or coming on to Joran van der Sloot. There is nothing that indicates that he was coming on to her either.
Skip ahead to the Dan Abrams Show today and the appearance of one of the chaperones who went on that trip to Aruba along with Natalee and her high school friends.
He states that most of the kids on the trip were 18 years of age and were allowed to come and go freely. He states that the chaperones met daily with the entire group and contrary to rumors none of those kids misbehaved, broke things in hotel rooms or caused anyone any trouble at all.
When asked to describe Natalee he states that she was not a party girl, was quiet and a very nice young lady. Another chaperone went to Carlos & Charlie's that night and when asked, said that nothing wild or untoward took place. There was no drunken behavior on the part of Natalee or anyone else. No one was out of control. No one paid any particular attention to Joran who was also there because they had no idea at that time that he might be a danger to anyone. That came later after Natalee left with him and was never seen again.
So, if Natalee wasn't falling down drunk prior to leaving Carlos & Charlie's with the Kalpoe's and Joran how did she manage to be going "in and out of consciousness" as stated by Joran in one of his many statements to the Aruban police? If Natalee was NOT drunk prior to leaving that bar how did she suddenly get drunk? Did she have some help? Was something that she drank while in the company of Joran and friends spiked? Was a drug put into her drink?
Hearing what the chaperone had to say I believe more than ever before that Natalee Holloway was rendered incapable of taking care of herself. That she was forced into a position of submission via a drug of some kind that made her go "in and out of consciousness". How could Natalee have consented to ANY type of relationship of sexual nature with Joran or anyone else if she was "going in and out of consciousness?
She had to be unable to make decisions for herself and that condition had to have been forced on her between the time that she left Carlos & Charlie's and the time that she disappeared. It doesn't take long for a drug to work itself through a person's system. Maybe 15 minutes to a half hour at most and even more rapidly if that person happens to be on some prescribed or over the counter medication like an antihistamine.
There was plenty of time between the time she left that sleazy bar and ended up missing for someone to have drugged Natalee Holloway, had sexual contact with her and perhaps after she passed out, passed away, or was forcibly harmed; to get rid of her. The first night the place where Natalee was stashed...dead or dying may have been on land. In a place that was hidden from view but easy enough to return to later on especially if you were a resident of Aruba and knew it's landmarks like the back of your hand. A place like the Sand Dunes.
She couldn't.
She had to be unable to make decisions for herself and that condition had to have been forced on her between the time that she left Carlos & Charlie's and the time that she disappeared. It doesn't take long for a drug to work itself through a person's system. Maybe 15 minutes to a half hour at most and even more rapidly if that person happens to be on some prescribed or over the counter medication like an antihistamine.
There was plenty of time between the time she left that sleazy bar and ended up missing for someone to have drugged Natalee Holloway, had sexual contact with her and perhaps after she passed out, passed away, or was forcibly harmed; to get rid of her. The first night the place where Natalee was stashed...dead or dying may have been on land. In a place that was hidden from view but easy enough to return to later on especially if you were a resident of Aruba and knew it's landmarks like the back of your hand. A place like the Sand Dunes.
The night after Natalee disappeared when the sun went down and the Holloway/Twitty's were at Joran's home and he wasn't there, was that when he and others retrieved Natalee and moved her to a friend's boat? Was she then taken out to sea where the water was deep enough to hide her and from where she would not surface or float back to shore? Was she placed in a lobster cage that went conveniently missing the very same night that Natalee went missing? It would have been heavy enough to keep her under the water.
The fact that Joran's friend used his boat that night is quite convenient also. The fact that Paulus made withdrawals from an ATM machine that night makes sense too if he needed to pay people to help remove Natalee's body. The fact that no one seems to be able to explain who took Joran home from his trip to the beach that night is odd.
The fact that Joran's friend used his boat that night is quite convenient also. The fact that Paulus made withdrawals from an ATM machine that night makes sense too if he needed to pay people to help remove Natalee's body. The fact that no one seems to be able to explain who took Joran home from his trip to the beach that night is odd.
At first Joran claimed that he called Deepak and that he picked him up and drove him home. When Deepak was PROVEN to have been home and on his computer at the time that Joran claimed that he was picking him up created a need for Joran to switch brothers so it went from Deepak to Satish. Satish was also at home and has denied picking Joran up. Paulus denies picking Joran up yet Joran swears that a friend brought him home...first he said that he walked home but that story didn't wash either so now a friend brought him home. What friend? What is his name? Have the police verified this? How did Joran get home?
After Paulus coached the three boys not to talk and probably told them to stick to ONE story they made up the security guard yarn. That didn't hold up either. Paulus, you're slipping as an attorney. You couldn't even control your "clients". They told too many lies to be controlled or to even keep up with. The lies kept on coming one after the other and tomorrow night on ABC, they will continue.
Joran, who is said to be both contrite and indignant will continue to lie because the truth would put him where he belongs...behind bars.
We may not know exactly what happened to Natalee that night and we may never know all of the details but any thinking person knows the following facts:
Natalee was not drunk when she left the bar with Joran and the Kalpoes
Natalee was not drinking all day and partying wildly on Aruba
Joran lied about what he did with Natalee, as did the Kalpoe brothers
Joran continues to lie
Paulus protects those lies because they are coming from the mouth of his son.
Natalee is gone and the last person who has admitted to having seen her alive is and was Joran van der Sloot. NO ONE else has been found or come forward to dispute this. In almost 9 months...NO ONE but Joran van der Sloot was with Natalee before she disappeared.
To those who know the truth...come forward now.
Set Natalee and her parents free. Let the people of Aruba have their Island back. Let the tourists come to spend their money on your island and help you take care of your families. End the boycott and the suspicion and the bad feelings that so many of us have about Aruba. Don't let a few people ruin things for you. Come forward and tell the truth.
Free Natalee Holloway
13 comments:
Joran is a Freak , he doesnt know the truth, but he will when it is marching over his face
Joran is changing his story again now.. He must of saw the new statements of the MB students when they were re interviewed not long ago. I liked the statement by the lawyer, Michael Cordoza tonight on Greta..Joran needs to be quiet or he will slip up and say the wrong thing....geez ..what a give away
MIchelle,
Go to Fox News greta site look for video from like wednesday or thursday night when the lawsuit first broke... Greta stopped a lawyer in his tracks.. He said there was no evidence of rape and Greta said Hey wait i sat across the table from Anita with Beth and listen to Anita describe what Joran said he did with Natalee paraphrasing here Greta said she wanted to just fade away .. I cant get the damn video's to work for me
on either of my Pc's check it out
Sue
Did this author really just say that any thinking person would know that Natalee was not drunk when she left the bar?? That is news to me. I think even Beth has admitted that she probably was after drinking Rum at C & C's.
Your story has many more holes, but I don't have 2 hours to lecture you author.q
Anonymous...what does that mean? It means that you are afraid to use your
name and therefore I place no credence in YOUR comments regarding my article.
I was quoting a chaperone who was on the Aruban trip with Natalee as to
her condition when leaving C&C's. She was NOT observed as drunk, staggering or falling down.
It's possible that the drug of choice was slipped into her drink at the
club and that she was starting to feel the effects of it but NO ONE saw her
acting drunk and some of the students spoke to her as she left and even
after she got into the car with the boys.
Her mother NEVER said that Natalee was drunk so I have no idea where you are getting YOUR information.
Maybe you were there? If so, do share with us what you observed.
At my office whenever we received something marked ANONYMOUS we routinely threw it out. People who have something to say of value and who aren't afraid to say it sign their name.
COSBY: Tonight, another ground-breaking development in the Natalee hallway investigation. For the first time, we are seeing video of Natalee Holloway the night that she vanished. This may be the last video ever captured of Natalee. In this surveillance tape from the Excelsior Casino, not only do you see Natalee sitting at the blackjack table with friends, but the prime suspect in her disappearance—you see him there—Joran Van Der Sloot, is just a few feet away at the same table. Obtained by ABC News, this is being made public amid word of a possible new search for Natalee. They were at the casino before they all went to Carlos and Charlie's that night, where Natalee was last seen.
On the phone with us right now tonight from Aruba is Julia Renfro from the “Aruba Today” newspaper. Julia, how long have you known about this tape and its existence?
JULIA RENFRO, “ARUBA TODAY” NEWSPAPER: Well, actually, Beth Twitty told me already on the 30th of May that she had seen the video, and that's how she identified Joran Van Der Sloot in the first place.
COSBY: And we're looking at—this is, in fact, Natalee entering the casino. You saw the video before, right? Under what circumstances did you see it? And did you see more than what we're able to see now, Julia?
RENFRO: I've probably seen quite a bit of the tape, and the one thing that you do notice in the parts that I have seen is that there is little or no contact between Joran and Natalee.
COSBY: Yes, it's interesting. In fact, let me play a little—this is a comment that Joran Van Der Sloot made in the interview that he did with ABC. He talks about how he's portrayed with the media. And then we'll put it in reference to the tape. Here's what he has to say.
JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY DISAPPEARANCE: I think I've been portrayed unfairly. I've been portrayed as a murderer and a rapist and everything that I'm not.
COSBY: Do you think, Julia, when you see the tape, does it maybe help him in any way?
RENFRO: Well, it certainly doesn't hurt him because he went into the casino prior to the girls. He was playing, and the girls came and sat next to him. And there is very little contact between the Mountain Brook kids and Joran throughout the whole tape. There's an occasional win, where everybody gets excited, and you know, there's a few little conversations between Joran and some of the other Mountain Brook students, but really nothing between Joran and Natalee.
COSBY: And in fact, Joran further says in the interview, he says, “I sat down there, and then within five minutes, there was a group of girls from Mountain Brook school”—Natalee's school—“that came up to me and sat down next to me. And they wanted to play, as well. They had already been drinking that day and had drinks with them,” saying that he had drinks with them.
Do you get the impression from everything you've heard, Julia, that he didn't know them before the Excelsior? It doesn't look like he knows her, almost.
RENFRO: Oh, he absolutely didn't know any of them. He had not met any of them, at that point. That was the first interaction he had had with any of the girls.
COSBY: And how long before Carlos and Charlie's—before they went to Carlos and Charlie's?.
RENFRO: At the point of the video where you have, it's probably about two hours before they actually went to Carlos and Charlie's. And Joran didn't even show up to Carlos and Charlie's until 12:30 that evening. And at about 10 until 1:00, they were already moving people out. And by 1:00 o'clock, Carlos and Charlie's was empty. So there's still very little contact between Joran and these young ladies.
COSBY: And I want to show also and ask you a question about the search real quickly because this is, again, what the chief of police, Chief Dompig, said to us. He said, “Based on this new information, we strongly feel that a body is buried somewhere in those areas,” talking about in the beach areas. “These new searches are because of a tip that we received last month that is very credible.”
Real quick, why—are you getting any sense that there's any urgency in this search, as we're looking to, hopefully, to resolve this?
RENFRO: Well, I have not spoke to Mr. Dompig, but I did speak to Arlene, who did speak to Dompig, who didn't exactly say that, according to Arlene. And it sounds like that was a journalist that, you know, just went a little bit overboard in her statements.
COSBY: All right. Well, thank you very much, Julia. We appreciate it.
So what's the reaction on the island of Aruba to this tape? And also, more importantly, when might we see a new search for Natalee? And were these statements by the chief taken out of context or not?
LIVE AND DIRECT tonight is Steve Cohen. He's a special adviser to the Aruban government. Steve, first of all, let's get to the tape. What's your reaction when you look at the video?
STEVE COHEN, SPECIAL ADVISER TO ARUBAN GOVERNMENT: Well, first, our reaction is that this tape was a piece of evidence, like all the tapes are.
COSBY: So how did it get out, Steve? That's the other question?
COHEN: Well, I think...
COSBY: If it's supposed to be such a part of the investigation.
COHEN: Well, I think that there are leaks in all investigations. There are so many agendas that are competing here, the reconstruction agenda of the Van Der Sloots, the Beth Holloway Twitty agenda in terms of continuing to put pressure on the family and Aruba, the agenda of Dave Holloway and his forthcoming book, the agenda of Larry Garrison, their agent. You put all these different agendas together and you sort of get a jumble. And of course, in Aruba, what we're concerned about is something very simple and straightforward, is what happened that night? How did Natalee disappear? Was anyone responsible? And did any of them commit a crime?
And this tape, therefore, really doesn't help much in terms of the pursuit of this, which is why I think, in terms of the evidence of the case, we knew that they met beforehand. We knew that the nature of their relationship there was not very close, as Julia told you just before. And also, we also know about this tape that there are many other tapes that show activity before the time when Natalee disappears.
COSBY: You know, we also—we've seen Joran talking a little bit. Obviously, he did the interview with Dutch TV and now the one with ABC that's coming up. Let me show a quote because he was asked, you know, Why did you lie? Why did you change your stories? It's a fact that he's changed his story several times. And he said, quote, “I was scared. I didn't want anyone to know. I didn't know anyone to know I left her on the beach.”
I mean, Steve, do these inconsistent statements still trouble you a lot?
COHEN: I think that the investigation is definitely troubled by the inconsistency of the statements. And please understand—we want your audience to understand that the primary scenario that's still being investigated is what involvement, if any, Joran and the Kalpoes had in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. That is our focus.
In terms of the digging, I want to get to that. There's no question that Chief Dompig feels that there is a need to continue digging or excavation by the dunes. That will commence shortly. I won't give you an exact time because I really don't know the exact time, but we will...
COSBY: But why wait? Real quick.
COHEN: Well, I think—I don't think it's a matter of waiting, except for he wants to make sure he has everything together that he needs to do a meticulous search.
COSBY: Let me also—because earlier tonight, on Dan Abram's show, one of the chaperones, the American chaperones, was talking. Let's just listen to a little bit of what he had to say.
BOB PLUMMER, CHAPERONED HOLLOWAY TRIP: These kids were 18 years old, legal to be drafted in our country's service, legal to do what they wanted to do. So we were there in case they needed us just for an emergency, medical emergency or whatnot. We were not there to baby-sit these kids. And that was made well known to us before we ever went.
COSBY: I mean, that's what they say, but Steve, you know, we know that some of the kids have been questioned. Is there a chance the chaperones are going to be questioned, too, just in case they saw something?
COHEN: No, I don't think so. I think the information we need in terms of witnesses from the Alabama teens has been concluded. And you know, all of us think that the people that are responsible for this disappearance of Natalee are not the people in Alabama but are more likely to be one of the three suspects. And until that's proven one way or the other, this case will not conclude.
COSBY: All right, Steve. Thank you very much.
And now that we're seeing the surveillance tape of Natalee and Joran at the casino for the first time, what role could this video that you're looking at play? LIVE AND DIRECT right now tonight is private investigator Vito Colucci. Vito, you've seen the tape. What do you glean from it?
VITO COLUCCI, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Absolutely nothing, Rita. It'll be shown, if there's ever a trial, as some background information, but it really doesn't give anything. All the main events happened from Carlos and Charlie's on. So it's not really—I mean, it's good. It's news. It's on TV for the first time. But other than that, Rita, it doesn't really mean anything.
COSBY: What do you make of the timing that it came out now, that it was, quote, “leaked” now?
COLUCCI: Well, you know, if they think this is going to help Van Der Sloot, it really is not going to help him. And I'm so amazed at his statements that he made to “Primetime” that he is a normal teenager. He says—There's absolutely no reason to believe me, he says. He says, I wouldn't believe myself. And...
COSBY: What does that say to you as an investigator, Vito?
COLUCCI: His own words are going to get him in the long run, I hope. If this was our country, it would get him in the long run. I don't know about over there. He's asked why is he coming forward now? He says, Because it's time to tell the truth now.
But let me say one thing about this search, Rita, if I can, in the sand dunes, OK?
COSBY: Yes, why is it taking so long, Vito? You know, we just heard from Steve Cohen, and he said they're trying to get the right equipment. We know they've turned down some of the best equipment in the U.S.
COLUCCI: Let's let the viewers understand this. The deputy chief of police gets what he calls a credible tip that her body is buried in the sand dunes, about 500 yards, five football fields this ensues here. He leaves it on his desk. You had Equusearch on last night, Rita, that said that they can find a body in that area in three to five days, but the Aruban government has not allowed them to do that. So you figure out where we're going with this because I certainly can't. After 30 years of investigative work, this is totally ridiculous. They have said they can find the body. If there's a body there, they said give them three to five days, Rita.
COSBY: And exactly. If you have the information, go for it. Why would you wait? Vito, thank you very much. We appreciate it.
Once again Michelle - Sue has STOLEN this transcript. She needs to put the link up, not copy and paste. That is not proper net behavior. You should not allow posts this way.
Take it up with Sue...I really don't give a crap about the little things. Get the bug out of your butt.
Anonymous said...
Once again Michelle - Sue has STOLEN this transcript. She needs to put the link up, not copy and paste. That is not proper net behavior. You should not allow posts this way.
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Here you go, I guess your to lazy to look shit up your self...
Go to search engine type MSNBC TV thats what I do ...
And how do you Steal a script that is posted on the internet??
Sue & michelle,
It is not that I am lazy. Your are stealing COPYRIGHTED material. Look at the web site you are copying. It says so RIGHT THERE.
Oh gee like most of the things posted are not copyrighted and what
by posting the link makes it ok??
Get a job bug butt
Yes! Posting the link makes it right! That is the proper way to do things. Just trying to help. No need to get your pants in a knot.
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