BETH'S THOUGHTS ON JORAN AND MY CRITIQUE OF HIS ACTING JOB

JORAN REGARDING BETH: I don't have any — I don't have any bad, I mean, not regrets — I mean, I don't think badly of her. I mean, if my daughter — well, I don't have a daughter — if my daughter was missing, if I — or my brother or my mother, you know, someone was missing that I loved, and there was some kid with him last, you know, I'd — I'd probably feel — and everything that's here in the media, I'd feel that way, too.

VAN SUSTEREN: Beth, when you listen to that sound from Joran van der Sloot, how he feels about you and your feelings to him, do you buy it? (But Greta? Weren't you "inclined to believe him?")



TWITTY: No, I don't buy it at all, Greta. Absolutely not. We spent too many frustrating days and weeks that turned into months searching for Natalee on that island with no help from Joran Van Der Sloot. The only thing we were getting from him was a litany of lies. So no, I don't buy any of it.



VAN SUSTEREN: Did you watch the entire interview? It was unedited. We did it on two successive nights, and then we did the third part, a small part, the next night. Did you watch it all?


TWITTY: Oh, yes, I watched them all, and I have seen it now a second time in its entirety.



VAN SUSTEREN: What was it like for you to watch it? (What do you think it was like for Beth, Greta? The questions you ask...unbelievable.)



TWITTY: You know, it's so difficult for me to watch Joran and how he continually just makes all the disparaging remarks about Natalee. I mean, that is so difficult.


And also, I noticed there in part two, probably the most difficult time is when Joran is pressed with the timeline from the night that they took Natalee. I could see him really having a great deal of difficulty in staying with you when he was having to give an account of the timeline of that night. (Weren't we all?!)



VAN SUSTEREN: Now, you and I have spent an awful lot of time together, talked together. You know my entire staff. (Buttering Beth up after your previous faux pas?) Was it difficult for you that we sat down with him?



TWITTY: Oh, no. No, I mean, I think that any time that we can get Joran speaking, I think that he only incriminates himself every time. And you know, I've heard his offer that he is willing to sit down with myself or with Dave or the family, and absolutely, I would do it. I would go to Holland. I'd meet him wherever he would choose to.


But you know, Greta, I would have to have one polygraph expert with me because, you know, just having Joran talk without any type of repercussions — I mean, I think those days are over for him. You know, I'd like to get to the bottom of where his lies are, and I think that a polygraph expert could help do that. (Let's see if Joran would agree to that. We all know what the answer is. If he has nothing to hide, then he needs to take the lie detector test so the ALE can concentrate on the other suspects (i.e. Deepak and Satish).



VAN SUSTEREN: When you look at his demeanor on the tapes — were you there — that first night, when you got to the island, I know that you were in the car outside his house. You had a chance to talk to him, is that right?


TWITTY: I did. It was very, very brief, though.


VAN SUSTEREN: Is there a way to compare and contrast the demeanor? Obviously, sitting down with us for the interview, you know, eight or nine months later is much different. But was — you know, how did it strike you?



TWITTY: You know, Greta, really not a lot — not really that much different. I mean, Joran has just been confident and very arrogant and just seemingly, like — you know, he's just not really concerned about any repercussions from the beginning. It's just like he's known that he was able to — or is known to be able to get away with anything that he chooses to. (It's called being a sociopath...Joran is a perfect clinical case of a true sociopath.)



VAN SUSTEREN: Why do you think he did talk to us?



TWITTY: I don't know. I don't know what motivated him to come forward. But you know, there certainly is an agenda there. (Of course there is! He wants the Americans to believe him...he's using his tactics to win us over...all the while he's laughing at us for being so stupid!) I mean, we all know that. I mean, Joran isn't just coming on with innocent hands, and you know, just pleading his case to the media. There is an agenda behind this. I don't know what it is (It's PR) and I don't know when we'll find out, but you know, I'm certain that there's an agenda behind him doing this.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: If Beth Twitty or Dave Holloway were to say, Joran, I want to come to Holland and talk to you — I mean, I'll invite them into my house. I'll answer any questions they have. I mean, I'll understand if they — if they don't — you know, if they're mad at me, I mean, I can understand that all. I can understand if they hate me or they despise me. I understand all that all. (They aren't the only ones who hate and despise you, Joran.)

But when I was in jail, I signed a paper for them to come talk to me, and then my lawyers and my parents said. No, you can't. You can't talk to them because they can come out saying anything, that you said anything.

And you know, I've always — I've always wanted to talk to them. (Yeah, right...that's why you were SO forthcoming when you were first approached?) And I know they might not listen to me and they — you know, they don't — they might not believe me, (Why would they believe you? You've told too many lies for me to even remember!) but I'll talk to them and tell them anything they want to know, answer any of their questions, do anything of that. (I'm not holding my breath...)

VAN SUSTEREN: We'll continue with Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty. Beth, I know the last segment you said you'd like to do it but you'd want someone who's a polygraph expert. But you know, that's — that's not going to happen. He's not going to do that. But in the event that you might learn something from him, do you have anything to lose, just the two of you, without TV cameras, without anything but just you and Joran van der Sloot sitting down — because you're a pretty tough cross-examiner. Why not do that?



TWITTY: Well, I don't think we'd have anything to lose if Dave and I were to do that, but I just don't think that I'm going to gain one thing. And that's what concerns me.



VAN SUSTEREN: What do you lose? What do you lose by doing that? I mean, just on the off chance you do get some information or you get some sense of — you know, instead of going through this horrible pain, maybe you'd get lucky.



TWITTY: You know, I just don't think that we can decipher through all of his lies. I mean, I think that to get to the bottom of it — you know, just to let him speak freely, we're just — I just don't think that we're going to get anywhere with Joran. I really don't. (After 10 months, it's obvious no one is getting anywhere with Joran. Let's move on to the Kalpoes and Steve Croes...don't forget Koen Kottenbos. What about Freddy?)



VAN SUSTEREN: Well, you're not going to get anywhere in a holding pattern. I mean, he has — you know, he has spoken now for two-and-a-half hours with us unedited. He's not formally charged. He does have a civil case filed against him, but chances are, you'll never get him in deposition then. You know, maybe he has some valuable information, or maybe he'll slip up, maybe he'll convince you that he didn't do anything, maybe something.



TWITTY: I think if that were the case, if we were to find something like that, it would have to be somebody besides Dave and I. You know, we'd have to have some other parties there to help us do that because we're just not capable. We just — that is just not in our area of expertise at all. And you know, I just...



VAN SUSTEREN: I think you underestimate yourself, Beth.



TWITTY: Well, I just — you know, if Joran's ground rules were just Dave and I, with no polygraph expert or no other individuals, I just don't — I just don't know that — I just don't think that I could get anywhere with him, Greta.



VAN SUSTEREN: You know, I'd like to talk to Deepak and Satish. I'd like to talk to them. How about you? (Greta, I'm certain you already have that in the works...how much is that going to cost?)



TWITTY: Well, you know, when I spoke with Deepak at the Internet cafe, I felt as if — for some reason, I didn't have any trouble in the 90 minutes that I was trying to engage in a conversation with Deepak. But the thing about it, he just would not respond to me at all. And you know, I'd be curious to see if he would respond now.



VAN SUSTEREN: You know, when I spoke to him in the cafe, as well, I thought he was openly hostile to me.



TWITTY: Well, you know, he was just so quiet with me. I mean, he would just not — he would not even — he couldn't even pick his head up and wouldn't even look at me, and you know, wouldn't engage in any type of conversation whatsoever. No matter how hard I tried or whatever I said, I could not get anywhere with him. (It's called liar's GUILT.)



VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, I don't know what — how to interpret, you know, open hostility. A lot of people don't like me, I guess. (You guessed right!) You know — you know, I can't judge totally on that. But I — you know, he's been unwilling to step forward. And maybe his lawyer tells him not to. I know that Joran's lawyer told him not to. But I don't understand why neither he nor Satish has — you know, has sort of — you know, why we haven't been able to get to them. Nobody's been able to talk to them. Do you have any thoughts on that?



TWITTY: Well, I know that I would love for somebody to get to Satish Kalpoe because he seems like he's the one who's gotten off the easiest in all this. He seems to have just been the one that everyone's overlooked. We've always been thinking about Deepak and Joran, but I think Satish has quite a bit of involvement and knows exactly what happened. And I just hate that he's the only one that no one has been able to get to. And it seems like to me he might be the easiest one to get some information out of. We just don't seem to be able to find him.



VAN SUSTEREN: There's a new search that just started the other day. Is it — are you — are you thinking, like, I'm so glad this search is going forward, or are you thinking that this is a charade or something in between?



TWITTY: Well, you know, I'm glad to hear that they are thinking about or conducting a search because when I went — when I hear them mentioning an upcoming trial, I'm thinking it just doesn't fit. I mean, can we at least do a proper search before we even try to head to a trial? I mean, that is something the family — we have never pressured or even mentioned to the officials on the island of Aruba. I mean, you know, what we have been focused on is just the recovery of Natalee.