GRETA INTERVIEWS JOE TACOPINA--PART 2
Joe Tacopina is just like Joran and Paulus...one huge bullshitter.
May 17, 2006
Transcribed by Michelle Says So
GRETA: Why weren’t the Van der Sloot’s at the hearing today?
JOE: No, it’s not a question of whose side I’m on. Clearly, for the Holloway family that was just here, from the bottom of my heart want closure for them and want them to get some answers.
GRETA: You have five kids…
JOE: I have 5 kids yeah…and this is not about trying to prevent them from getting answers. I 100% believe in my client, Greta. I believe in Joran. I wouldn’t have come into this case if I make my own finding that he had nothing to do with her disappearance. I understand they are emotionally invested in believing he had something to do with it…and I hope they get answers. But on the same token, I hope my clients get their lives back.
GRETA: Why weren’t your clients there today. They don’t have to be there, but they could have been there.
JOE: Well they could have been, but the problem is part of our argument it is not a convenient forum for them. Joran is in college in Holland right now. He is an honor student, he takes his schooling very seriously. He is doing very well in his first year. Paulus’ life has been turned upside down. He lost his judgeship that was pending in Aruba.
GRETA: I thought he failed it…did they lose it because of this case, or did he have some sort of…
JOE: Now he is struggling to make a living right now as an attorney. A trip here is not an easy thing for them. The bottom line is they called us with their fate in our hands today and you know (inaudible)…
GRETA: In terms of the hearing today, did the judge say anything to you…she thought that was a great question for us, or that is a lousy question for us?
JOE: No. The judge really let both sides have at it. Laying out their arguments and gave us a chance to reply…and clearly is going to take this very seriously, very thorough. She made a point she is going to read a transcript of the hearing…read the briefs again. The only comment she made was about the fact is that none of the parties are residents of work.
GRETA: And the lawyer then responded that there are lots of cases in the New York Courts where there parties don’t live here.
JOE: It is just absolutely not accurate.
GRETA: If your clients lose, will they answer and defend the case, or will they default the case.
JOE: They will not default the case.
GRETA: So they will be subjected to depositions, answer questions under oath, the whole bit.
JOE: …we are going to fight the case, but, as far as fighting the case, there are literally about five other motion what they call the supercedes law 3211 in New York State that are right for dismissal. We have made other motions to dismiss. This isn’t the first…quite frankly clear cut. I think the factors are like this: I think the scales aren’t even close. There are other motions, but if they had to litigate, but it’s not the facts that we are afraid of here…Joran is innocent, there is no evidence to show that he had anything to do for her disappearance or harm her in anyway.
GRETA: Did you talk to your clients and tell them what happened today?
JOE: Yeah, they called afterwards and we spoke…they are just getting run down, no surprises. They clearly want to know if there was any movement by the Court…they were as gracious as usual and very appreciative.
GRETA: Is Joran an involved client? Some clients are really involved, some are not. Is he paying attention to this or busy with studies. How do you describe him?
GRETA: One of the things I thought interesting today, and obviously you and the other side have a very different view on this…whether or not you had subpoena power. If this case remains in New York State Court, can you reach into Aruba and subpoena witnesses. You say yes, and the Holloway-Twitty faction say yes because of the Hague Convention.
JOE: The Hague Convention doesn’t speak that at all. The Hague Convention really encourages cooperation between governments as far as discovery and sharing documents. It is not in any way shape or form.
GRETA: So you say no…so you can’t bring witnesses into Court…
JOE: I cannot subpoena a witness in Aruba and make them appear in that New York Court. It does not speak (inaudible).
GRETA: It was very interesting because the lawyer on the other side, and it wasn’t John Q. Kelly said that was absolutely false. One of you got the law wrong and I don’t know who it is…the judge will tell us.
GRETA: Have you ever talked to Deepak Kalpoe?
JOE: No, not at all. We went down there and spent some time there…we’ve spoken to a lot of people from this individual named Booty to other alleged suspects, to witnesses, to people claiming they have real information. It’s hard to (inaudible) because everyone seems to want to be a part of this. We did not speak to the Kalpoes.
GRETA: Did you try to?
JOE: Well, they have lawyers, and we respect the (inaudible) client privledge. We reached out to their counsel, and I think they just want to disappear since this.
GRETA: Booty is enormously…Booty is someone who hangs out on the beach, made a live on the beach. Someone who I have been told has a criminal history. He is there sometimes at night…has access to a boat, is the brother in law of Gerald Dompig.
JOE: And…most importantly, he had a hut on the beach and he showed us where it was that had a direct shot into the room stayed at that night. We were there…the beach that he lived in, I mean literally stayed on this beach out there. What you have to understand this climate permits something like that. It’s just a cover and that’s where he stayed.
GRETA: Is there any place where you have seen the police talked to this man. He’s a brother in law to the police chief…you would think he would have information about the beach.
JOE: That’s the funny thing. The police reports we have gone through…thousands of pages of police reports. They are silent as to this individual. And we know he is going is going to make statements to several people who have been down there, television…claiming to have information about Natalee’s disappearance, and yet there is no police report that speaks to this individual.
GRETA: You know what I think is weird, I’ve talked to journalists down there and they say they are afraid of him. That is what is so peculiar…if it’s so easy to pick someone up, why don’t the police bring him in, detain him, question him, maybe because he’s the brother in law. What is his boating access?
JOE: Well, you know apparently he had access to some sort of a boat that was on the beach that disappeared after May 30. Who knows what that means…they should have least looked into this.
GRETA: Something the police definitely should have looked…this is a no brainer and certainly I would like to know what Booty might know, or at least he may know what’s going on the beach.
JOE: No, it’s not a question of whose side I’m on. Clearly, for the Holloway family that was just here, from the bottom of my heart want closure for them and want them to get some answers.
GRETA: You have five kids…
JOE: I have 5 kids yeah…and this is not about trying to prevent them from getting answers. I 100% believe in my client, Greta. I believe in Joran. I wouldn’t have come into this case if I make my own finding that he had nothing to do with her disappearance. I understand they are emotionally invested in believing he had something to do with it…and I hope they get answers. But on the same token, I hope my clients get their lives back.
GRETA: Why weren’t your clients there today. They don’t have to be there, but they could have been there.
JOE: Well they could have been, but the problem is part of our argument it is not a convenient forum for them. Joran is in college in Holland right now. He is an honor student, he takes his schooling very seriously. He is doing very well in his first year. Paulus’ life has been turned upside down. He lost his judgeship that was pending in Aruba.
GRETA: I thought he failed it…did they lose it because of this case, or did he have some sort of…
JOE: Now he is struggling to make a living right now as an attorney. A trip here is not an easy thing for them. The bottom line is they called us with their fate in our hands today and you know (inaudible)…
GRETA: In terms of the hearing today, did the judge say anything to you…she thought that was a great question for us, or that is a lousy question for us?
JOE: No. The judge really let both sides have at it. Laying out their arguments and gave us a chance to reply…and clearly is going to take this very seriously, very thorough. She made a point she is going to read a transcript of the hearing…read the briefs again. The only comment she made was about the fact is that none of the parties are residents of work.
GRETA: And the lawyer then responded that there are lots of cases in the New York Courts where there parties don’t live here.
JOE: It is just absolutely not accurate.
GRETA: If your clients lose, will they answer and defend the case, or will they default the case.
JOE: They will not default the case.
GRETA: So they will be subjected to depositions, answer questions under oath, the whole bit.
JOE: …we are going to fight the case, but, as far as fighting the case, there are literally about five other motion what they call the supercedes law 3211 in New York State that are right for dismissal. We have made other motions to dismiss. This isn’t the first…quite frankly clear cut. I think the factors are like this: I think the scales aren’t even close. There are other motions, but if they had to litigate, but it’s not the facts that we are afraid of here…Joran is innocent, there is no evidence to show that he had anything to do for her disappearance or harm her in anyway.
GRETA: Did you talk to your clients and tell them what happened today?
JOE: Yeah, they called afterwards and we spoke…they are just getting run down, no surprises. They clearly want to know if there was any movement by the Court…they were as gracious as usual and very appreciative.
GRETA: Is Joran an involved client? Some clients are really involved, some are not. Is he paying attention to this or busy with studies. How do you describe him?
JOE: We’ve tried to keep him off this quite frankly--he is paying attention because this is his life, and his life has been really in turmoil for the last year. But he is now in Holland, studying…his first year of college…he is probably most mature, articulate 18-year old boys. I mean you’ve spent some time with them. He’s been a real help quite frankly in this case and in this investigation.
GRETA: One of the things I thought interesting today, and obviously you and the other side have a very different view on this…whether or not you had subpoena power. If this case remains in New York State Court, can you reach into Aruba and subpoena witnesses. You say yes, and the Holloway-Twitty faction say yes because of the Hague Convention.
JOE: The Hague Convention doesn’t speak that at all. The Hague Convention really encourages cooperation between governments as far as discovery and sharing documents. It is not in any way shape or form.
GRETA: So you say no…so you can’t bring witnesses into Court…
JOE: I cannot subpoena a witness in Aruba and make them appear in that New York Court. It does not speak (inaudible).
GRETA: It was very interesting because the lawyer on the other side, and it wasn’t John Q. Kelly said that was absolutely false. One of you got the law wrong and I don’t know who it is…the judge will tell us.
GRETA: Have you ever talked to Deepak Kalpoe?
JOE: No, not at all. We went down there and spent some time there…we’ve spoken to a lot of people from this individual named Booty to other alleged suspects, to witnesses, to people claiming they have real information. It’s hard to (inaudible) because everyone seems to want to be a part of this. We did not speak to the Kalpoes.
GRETA: Did you try to?
JOE: Well, they have lawyers, and we respect the (inaudible) client privledge. We reached out to their counsel, and I think they just want to disappear since this.
GRETA: Booty is enormously…Booty is someone who hangs out on the beach, made a live on the beach. Someone who I have been told has a criminal history. He is there sometimes at night…has access to a boat, is the brother in law of Gerald Dompig.
JOE: And…most importantly, he had a hut on the beach and he showed us where it was that had a direct shot into the room stayed at that night. We were there…the beach that he lived in, I mean literally stayed on this beach out there. What you have to understand this climate permits something like that. It’s just a cover and that’s where he stayed.
GRETA: Is there any place where you have seen the police talked to this man. He’s a brother in law to the police chief…you would think he would have information about the beach.
JOE: That’s the funny thing. The police reports we have gone through…thousands of pages of police reports. They are silent as to this individual. And we know he is going is going to make statements to several people who have been down there, television…claiming to have information about Natalee’s disappearance, and yet there is no police report that speaks to this individual.
GRETA: You know what I think is weird, I’ve talked to journalists down there and they say they are afraid of him. That is what is so peculiar…if it’s so easy to pick someone up, why don’t the police bring him in, detain him, question him, maybe because he’s the brother in law. What is his boating access?
JOE: Well, you know apparently he had access to some sort of a boat that was on the beach that disappeared after May 30. Who knows what that means…they should have least looked into this.
GRETA: Something the police definitely should have looked…this is a no brainer and certainly I would like to know what Booty might know, or at least he may know what’s going on the beach.
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/22/usc_sec_22_00000287----000-notes.html section 1
The Secretary-General agrees to provide passes to duly authorized employees of The City of New York, the State of New York, or any of their agencies or subdivisions, for the purpose of enabling them to inspect, repair, maintain, reconstruct and relocate utilities, conduits, mains and sewers within the headquarters district.
In other words, the Landlord so called New York City Supreme Court shared the civil jurisdiction within the headquarters district of the United Nations, thereof the Hague Convention Forum Non Conveniens as indicated in the by-laws.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/22/usc_sec_22_00000287----000-notes.html section 1
The Secretary-General agrees to provide passes to duly authorized employees of The City of New York, the State of New York, or any of their agencies or subdivisions, for the purpose of enabling them to inspect, repair, maintain, reconstruct and relocate utilities, conduits, mains and sewers within the headquarters district.
In other words, the Landlord so called New York City Supreme Court shared the civil jurisdiction within the headquarters district of the United Nations, thereof the Hague Convention Forum Non Conveniens as indicated in the by-laws.
Throughout the years, the United Nations have mortaged out their processions to the banks for exchange of cash flow to pay the salary and travel expenses of Secretary-General. Since the United Nations seldom paid the repairs bills to the City Treasury of New York Manhathan, the New York Supreme Court puts the liens on those land and building titles of the United Nations on collaterals with the banks. Many of those banks failed and filed bankruptcy with New York State Supreme Court, and the Bankruptcy Judges had to pull in the State Mortgage Insurance Fund to bail the United Nations out to prevent a default fiasco to the United Nations' buildings and landscapes. Throughout the years, the United Nations never paid back the money to the State Mortgage Insurance Fund, and the time limits run out the redemption, and that is why the New York City Supreme Court owns many of the United Nations landscapes and buildings titles. And that is how the NYCSC can have claim on UN's Hague Convention Forum Non Conviniens Subpoena Power.
The wasteful spendings and corruptions of the United Nations has cornered themselves into such an awkward financial situations. And the White House is not going to bail out the United Nations, period.
Throughout the years, the United Nations have mortaged out their processions to the banks for exchange of cash flow to pay the salary and travel expenses of Secretary-General. Since the United Nations seldom paid the repairs bills to the City Treasury of New York Manhathan, the New York Supreme Court puts the liens on those land and building titles of the United Nations on collaterals with the banks. Many of those banks failed and filed bankruptcy with New York State Supreme Court, and the Bankruptcy Judges had to pull in the State Mortgage Insurance Fund to bail the United Nations out to prevent a default fiasco to the United Nations' buildings and landscapes. Throughout the years, the United Nations never paid back the money to the State Mortgage Insurance Fund, and the time limits run out the redemption, and that is why the New York City Supreme Court owns many of the United Nations landscapes and buildings titles. And that is how the NYCSC can have claim on UN's Hague Convention Forum Non Conviniens Subpoena Power.
The wasteful spendings and corruptions of the United Nations has cornered themselves into such an awkward financial situations. And the White House is not going to bail out the United Nations, period.
Mihelle, can you/will you forward this to your monkey friends. My silly computer is not letting me do it......chris
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