THE DISSECTION OF JORAN'S BRAIN
Joran uses the following words:
Me = 68 times
Natalee = 13
Sorry = 2
I want = 8
I lied = 3
My Life = 14
FIRST OF MANY LIES
- He told MB students he was a student on vacation and never met Natalee until that night:
NE Interview--Joran: I didn’t have any feelings towards her, because I met her that night. I didn’t know her before that.
Mountain Brook Student, Ed Kissel: (did he know Joran, how did he know who he was) I didn't know him, but I had seen -- he had been around the hotel and the casino with her (Natalee) and with her friends, her closer friends, just hanging out around the hotel for the last few days, two or three days.
Mountain Brook Student, Alana Jordan June 12th, 2005 3:30 pm: He was playing in the casino in our hotel a few nights before. I guess Natalee liked him well enough to hang out with him over the next few days…
LIES AGAIN...
- He told MB students he was a student from Holland…now he claims he told Natalee he had to go to school the next day?
Joran: Well, at that time, I don’t know. I was there. She didn’t want to come back to the hotel. I had school the next day. I told her I had to leave. And she didn’t want to listen, so, basically, I thought, "Ok, then, if you want to stay here, then you stay here." And that is the truth.
Joran: ... I told her, I had to go to school, I had to go home, and I feel horrible about that.
Greta Van Susteren: So he didn't say that he was in high school?
McVey: No
- He previously confessed in jail that Deepak raped and killed Natalee and disposed of her body before he had this interview:
Joran: My worst nightmare is, of course, is, if something bad happened to Natalee, everyone might think that I did it, maybe Deepak or Satish did it, and I feel that is what scares me a lot. That is the only thing that I am scared about.
MORE LIES
- He said he hasn't lost any friends over this.
Joran: I don’t have anything to say to the people. I am just happy that so many people have supported me through this. I have not lost a single friend. (He said he is no longer friends with Deepak and Satish--see end of post) I have also got so many support from so many Americans, which I didn’t expect. I am still getting letters, every week, from people that support me. And I am happy that there are a lot of good people in the world that do believe in me and that nothing bad happened. (Then why the original statement, “SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED”?)
Passes blame to Natalee and others:
Joran: Well, I mean, the three months I was in there, it was hard. It wasn’t fun at all, of course. But, I mean, I tried to make the best of it. I always kept my head up and I knew that I was innocent, so I knew that they would have to let me go. The other thing I don't respect, at all, is how people criticize my dad. The real thing is, because no one can make sense of the situation, they start pointing fingers all around and all of the evidence shows that nothing bad happened. (Yet you said "Something bad happened.") ...I think that it is important not to have tunnel vision and not to point fingers at one person. But, to take the case and look in other directions. (Why look in other directions when you were the last to be seen with her and have lied many, many times thereafter?!)
Joran: I would've just stayed home that night. I would not even had gone out. It was Natalee, who asked me to go out with her. It was her that asked me to come to the club. It was her that was yelling at me to go dance with her. And I said…and I went to go drink something with my friends. It was her that wanted to come with us. I mean, I don’t understand it myself. I don’t…yeah.
Contradicts himself:
Joran: ...When her parents showed up at my door with her picture I didn’t even know who Natalee Holloway was. I didn’t even know her name.
Reporter: How can you not know her name, if you saw her the night before?Joran: Well, I saw her the night before, but it was not like I had a conversation with her for 3 hours. I mean we barely talked. (LIE) She told me a couple of things about herself, where she was going to school. Where she was from.
NE Interview--Joran: She told me a lot of things. (BUT THEY HARDLY TALKED?) One thing she told me was that her mother was Hitler’s sister's daughter. I don’t know what she was talking, a lot of strange things. She told me she wanted to go to the light house and see sharks, which we never went to.
But, I don’t know, she talked a lot of things. Obviously, she was drunk. I had stuff to drink too. Now, I don’t respect that the Aruban authority tried to pin that it was a rape case. She wanted to go with me. I wanted to go with her. It was totally consensual. I had something to drink. She had something to drink. And, I just don’t think it is fair that people…that they even held me three months, because, the fact is, that in the United States they would not even... they never would've even been allowed to arrest me. The Dutch system works in the way that, if…you can be arrested on suspicion. In the United States, you need hard evidence.
There is not one evidence in this case that shows something bad happened. (Although the first statement he give his daddy is SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED) I have never touched a girl in an aggressive way in my life. There is not one girl that went forward and said otherwise. (Yet, there are THREE girls who came forward but now have backed off out of FEAR and THREATS.) And, I only have good declarations in my name, so.
But, I don’t know, she talked a lot of things. Obviously, she was drunk. I had stuff to drink too. Now, I don’t respect that the Aruban authority tried to pin that it was a rape case. She wanted to go with me. I wanted to go with her. It was totally consensual. I had something to drink. She had something to drink. And, I just don’t think it is fair that people…that they even held me three months, because, the fact is, that in the United States they would not even... they never would've even been allowed to arrest me. The Dutch system works in the way that, if…you can be arrested on suspicion. In the United States, you need hard evidence.
There is not one evidence in this case that shows something bad happened. (Although the first statement he give his daddy is SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED) I have never touched a girl in an aggressive way in my life. There is not one girl that went forward and said otherwise. (Yet, there are THREE girls who came forward but now have backed off out of FEAR and THREATS.) And, I only have good declarations in my name, so.
He said he already told everything there is to know…now contradicts himself:
Joran: One day, I will explain exactly what happened, but, right now, I don’t feel ready to do that.
GETTING OLD...ANOTHER LIE
NE Reporter: What do you mean jelly shots with her. Off of her body? - He's been going to C&C's for a couple years, I'm sure he's performed a belly shot.
Joran: Yeah.
Reporter: How does that work?
Joran: I don’t know. I never did it myself before. (Yeah right!) She grabbed my hand and took me with her and asked me if I wanted to take jelly shots off of her.
KEEP ON LYING JORAN...
Joran: ...She was the one that talked to me. She asked for me to dance with her, which I didn't even do. And she wanted to come with us. And, it was probably a bad choice. We probably should have told her she had to get out of the car when her friend told her she had to get out of the car and then nothing would've happened. (IS THAT AN ADMISSION THAT SOMETHING DID HAPPEN?)
Mountain Brook student, Ed Kissel: (when was the last time he saw Natalee) I think I saw her a little later that night. I had stayed in Carlos 'n Charlie's pretty long, and I saw her dancing with Van Der Sloot later that night.
ADMITS TO LIES!
Joran: Well, because, obviously, all of us lied. We agreed to lie. I was the first one that changed my story. I don’t think they (Kalpoe brothers) liked that, so they changed their story. And it, eventually everything went towards the truth. But, obviously, bad things were said about each other. And, it just hurts me that our friendship had to break up because of that.
"Tunnel Vision" is a favorite phrase:
Dompig: I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators. So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible. So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.
Guilty as hell! Watch Video!
Anita VDS: "They point fingers at him from the beginning. They called this a murder case from the beginning. They only had that tunnel vision.”
Joran VDS: …I think that it is important not to have tunnel vision and not to point fingers at one person. But, to take the case and look in other directions.
Joran: I had school the next day. And I did go to school the next day. And I did go to school the day after. And it's just I had to go home, I had to go to sleep. Yeah, when I got home, I went on the internet. I talked to Deepak for a while. So, the police could see exactly what time I got home. They can see it's obvious, if someone were to read the thing, it is almost impossible that a crime was committed.
STATEMENTS OF A SOCIOPATH:Joran VDS: …I think that it is important not to have tunnel vision and not to point fingers at one person. But, to take the case and look in other directions.
QUESTION TO PONDER:
- Why would he need for police to see he was on the internet if he didn’t do anything wrong?
- Well, that is what I think it maybe one of the good points about me; I really don’t care what people think about me.
- ...I can’t change time. I just want to go on with my life and I hope people let me go on with my life.
- ...I did not do anything against the law and they have to let you go. They have to let me get on with my life. And, I hope you guys let me get on with my life too.
- I plan to continue my life normally. I want to study sports management in the States. Obviously, that is not a good option now, the States. This case has been so blown up in the States, it is ridiculous. And, I just hope I can go on with my life. Let's see how things go. Hope the case gets solved. And, if it gets solved, then everything will be fine. I can go on with my life. I can even go continue my study in the States. I can do anything I want.
- I just hope that people leave me alone and I can live my life like a normal person. That is all I am hoping for.
20 comments:
Joran has been born with two pieces of left brains, one of which is a mirror or an image of the other. He has no right brain, never able to do things right. He has flung his International School thru all his grades, but the school officials lied for him as a scholar student. The Holland schol Joran goes to is a diploma mills, by which you can cut classes or not going to lectures, you can still graduate by taking an exit interview exam. The school calls
the distance learning, you can travel in Europe and at the same time taking class notes online, or you can be in hospital or prison anywhere in the world. What kind of scholarship you said you have? All in your brains are leftover lies inherited from your liar daddy PVDS. Joran, you have to check and find out your birth certificate. It is a fake. Your are an illegimate son of a bitch postitute. Your good old "Dad" just lied to you since you were
adopted by him from the Holland police. You were wrongly born with no right brain, and that is the reason why you lie all the time.
Here's you another one from Joran's statement in "Current Affair" saying Beth has read the statements, he told the truth, so Beth knows the truth.. and one of Dompig's statements about all the lies in their statements.
Current Suspect J. SLOOT: Yes, and neither do I. So, what more do you want me to do? I told the truth. I know she knows the truth. And, I know she read most of the statements in the case and, yes, that is all.
On November 11, DOMPIG told “CNN” “I am convinced that these three boys know more. And I just want to mention -- without going into details -- that I have numerous -- I have seen numerous discrepancies. And that’s just not to use the word "lies," but numerous discrepancies in the statements of these boys.”
Don't you love when he says almost impossible for a crime to be committed.. He don't say impossible.
Joran: I had school the next day. And I did go to school the next day. And I did go to school the day after. And it's just I had to go home, I had to go to sleep. Yeah, when I got home, I went on the internet. I talked to Deepak for a while. So, the police could see exactly what time I got home. They can see it's obvious, if someone were to read the thing, it is almost impossible that a crime was committed.
We never saw him do handwriting in all his public pictures displayed in flickr.com. I believe Joran is a left person or left-handed guy. He likes to tap Anita's back with his left hand. He enjoys biting the girl from the let and Joran counts his money quick with his left fingers. He has done some many left (not right) things in his life.
Joran said he simply 'left' Natalee on the beach, nobody with the right mind would believe Joran's lies from his left (not right) brain.
Even worse things showing in his pictures, the unnamed naked boy could be choked to death with the black belt in Joran's both hands cos he had no right mind. Joran is reckless and dangerous, you know.
This summer 2006 will be the saddest for the Sloots family. Joran lied about his recent leg injury. He said he had a broken ankle resulted from a football tournament. His left leg is now swollen beyond repair, which has been determined as a viral blood poisoning from an unspecified source and no broken bone found. Further medical history is protected for the patient's reputation. The doctors will have to amputate Joran's leg to save his life
Joran is the direct result of his parents..Worthless
On Wednesday September 29, 2005, Criminal Profiler Pat Brown flew to New Jersey to appear on "A Current Affair" and profile their recent interview of Joran van der Sloot in Holland. What aired was only part of the full damning analysis of Joran's thirty minute performance, a performance he believes will convince us of his innocence.
Analysis of the Joran van der Sloot Interview with "A Current Affair"
:19 Joran starts lying the minute he opens his mouth. He tells the interviewer, Gerry Wagschal, "No thanks, I don't really want to give any comment." He then talks for more than thirty minutes and offers to continue the interview on another day.
:55 "...If Natalee is really missing and if something bad really happened to Natalee." Hullo, Joran, if Natalee is really missing? Why do you think you were in jail all these months? Has Natlee really been going to school, shopping at the mall, and eating dinner with her family and we just haven't heard the news?
1:09 "I don't like the way people are boycotting Aruba; that so many people are suffering because one person is missing." People aren't just suffering because one person is missing; people are suffering because you and your friends are liars and the police system has failed to date.
1:38 "She was very nice." Considering the fact you make much of the fact she was extremely aggressive in pursuing you, acted like a slut, was a pain in the butt about refusing to leave the beach, and insulting her mother, it is awful kind of you to say she was very nice.
1:39 "I didn't have any feelings toward her because I just met her that night." I guess the ex-girlfriend who you cheated on would be happy to hear that you didn't even feel attracted toward a girl that you broke up the relationship over.
2:10 "I know me and my friends lied and I'm really sorry for that." I bet you are sorry that the lies didn't work.
2:25 "I hope she's fine." She's been missing for months, Joran. She is either dead or locked in a cell in someone's basement. I doubt she is having a great time on the island.
2:30 "I liked because I was scared and that's the truth because I didn't want to admit leaving her alone at the beach." You said you did not have sex with Natalee and your friends didn't have sex with Natalee. This means she only rode in a car with you and sat on a beach with you. Even if she were found raped and murdered, there would be zero evidence linking this to you. So, admitting you left her on a beach hardly seems worth going to jail over. Oh, wait, you thought you had also lied quite well in getting those security guards to be the suspects, so you didn't expect the police to look at such a nice, upper class boy and his buddies again.
2:55 "And that's the truth." Sure it is.
3:12 "The other two guys dropped me off there." Yet you later told police they had assaulted Natalee. What a friend!
3:50 "First of all, she was eighteen and I was seventeen." Yes, she was the older more experienced woman and you were just a babe in the woods.
4:17 "I don't respect her (Natalee's mom, Beth Twitty) going on TV and boycotting Aruba." I don't think we care who you respect. You obviously didn't respect Natalee or the police or Aruba yourself since your lies and actions show you could really care less about anyone but yourself.
4:37 "I told the truth and I know she (Natalee's mom) knows the truth because I know she read most of the statements in the case." What she knows, Joran, is that you have lied over and over and over and you are still lying here. I don't think she is going to start believing a pathological liar anytime soon and that is the truth.
5:33 "Look what she is doing to the island." If you cared so much about Aruba, Joran, you could end this whole charade.
6:41 "I am not hiding anything." Except the truth and "exactly what happened," which you later state during this same interview you are not ready to tell.
6:59 "My worst nightmare is if something bad happened to Natalee." I like how you keep saying "if" as though there is some possibility Natalee is just fine. Why don't you say, "Obviously something bad happened to Natalee and I wish they would find out who did it because it wasn't me."
7:29 "It makes no sense to boycott an island that depends on tourism." It really touches my heart that over and over you state your concern for the island but not for a poor young girl who has probably been murdered.
8:00 "I don't blame them for pointing fingers at me." Stop grinning, Joran.
8:59 "All the evidence shows nothing bad happened." We all know something bad happened, Joran, we just don't know where.
9:38 "I don't want to be talking right now." You are laughing again, Joran. You tend to laugh when you are not telling the truth.
10:09 "I don't have one thing to say to Beth." Why are you so angry at Natalee's mother? Is it because she's hitting a nerve?
10:23 "I was in the wrong place, at the wrong time, maybe with the wrong people." Which wrong people, Joran? Are you blaming your friends again for something bad happening?
10:47 "First of all, it is none of your business what happened (on the beach) (laughs) that's part of the investigation." If you told the truth, Joran, what is left to investigate?
10:50 "I hope she's okay, I hope she's fine." Do you think if you say this over and over what happened might not be true after all? Or do you think we will think you have some concern for Natalee by saying this?
11:11 "Yes, I was seeing someone." Lucky girl.
11:15 "Yes, I cheated on this other person with her." I thought you said you didn't have sex with Natalee? I don't know too many kids your age who think being drunk one night and kissing a girl under duress is considered cheating.
11:31 "What I did was wrong." You seem to have a problem with doing things that are wrong. Nice of you to admit these things once we know the truth.
11:48 "It was her." This is the beginning of the "blame the victim" part of your speech.
11:52 "It was Natalee who asked me to go out with her. It was her that asked me to go to the club. It was her who was yelling at me to dance with her. It was her that wanted to come with us." Yes, Joran, you are totally innocent in everything. Everyone else is to blame. While you are at college, perhaps you will want to study Psychopathology 101. Blaming everyone else is one of the major traits of a psychopath (along with pathological lying.)
12:10 "I didn't even know who Natalee Holloway was (when her parents showed up at my door the next day with her picture.)" Are you actually saying, Joran, that this girl who forced you to go out with her, forced you to buy her drinks, forced you to dance, forced you to take her along with you in the car, forced you to go to the beach, forced you to kiss her, and tried to force you to stay with her all night, made so little an impression on you that you couldn't remember her face or name?
13:29 "I've never touched a girl in an aggressive way in my life." Why does your face light up and you laugh giddily when you say this, Joran?
13:55 "It was totally her choice to stay in the car (when her friends called to her._" Totally her fault, yeah.
14:50 (itches his nose) "I don't know what happened." Maybe what you meant to say was "I don't know what happened. Things just got out of hand."
16:00 (talking about cover-ups and scandals). Sniffs a lot. You seem to be a bit miffed at the speculation; is this because it is ridiculous in general or because it is so obvious what really happened?
16:53 "I was the last guy who admitted to being with her (laughs.)" Well, only under duress and isn't it nice that you indicate she was looking to sleep with more than one guy in a night.
17:14 "I didn't do anything against the law." What laws do you live under, Joran? I believe even Aruba has laws concerning perjury, obstruction of justice, and incriminating innocent people in crimes they didn't commit.
17:25 "One day I will explain exactly what happened but right now I don't feel ready to do that." This is the most damning statement you have made during this interview, Joran. IF you did not have sex with Natalee and if all that happened was you sat o the beach and kissed and then left her there unharmed, what more is there to tell? You are a pathological liar and you cannot keep your stories straight. Moreover, if you have not told exactly what happened, yet, you are still a liar and Natalee's mom and the police do not know the truth. And, Joran, when will you be ready to tell exactly what happened? On your deathbed as a dying confession to a crime committed in your youth?
19:20 Joran describes taking jelly shots off of Natalee's stomach while she is lying on the bar. He seems uncomfortable with the whole idea; almost humiliated. He is not laughing at this like he did with talking about never touching a girl aggressively.
21:02 "I wouldn't cover for them (Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.)" I agree with you, Joran. Another psycholpathic behavior is thinking that people are either useful or in the way. Concern for others is very low on a psychopathic person's list. Narcissism is at the top. If you care only for yourself, you certainly are not going to risk yourself for others.
21:12 "People can think what they want (smiles.)" Right, other people do not matter to you.
22:37 "It's almost impossible (within the time frame between the beach scene and the later Internet communications with Deepak) that a crime was committed. (smile)" Maybe the time frame is off, Joran, or maybe you think it is pretty cool how a crime could be managed within that time frame.
23:54 "I am an asshole. What did I do? There is nothing I can do about it now. If I had that moment back, I would make sure she got back to the hotel safely." HERE is probably the only real truth you tell in this interview, Joran. You are concerned for Number One and you probably do wish you had not gone off with Natalee and "done whatever you really did do with her."
24:24 "I didn't think anything really bad happened to her." If this was true, Joran, and you talk about how often girls just run off on Aruba, why were you so quick to lie about dropping her at the hotel and so quick to incriminate others in a crime?
25:17 "Lying is not a crime; even if it interferes with a police investigation, it is still not a crime." Good rationalizing, Joran.
26:03 "I would love someone to come and tell me I did worse because I had never touched a girl in an aggressive way in my life (laughs.)" You just can't keep a straight face when you claim this, can you, Joran?
26:22 The interviewer asks if Joran had sex with Natalee. "First of all (smile), that is none of your business, it is absolutely none of your business." People usually are quick to deny something they didn't do and claim it is none of your business if you did do it. In other words, it is easy to tell a truth that isn't embarrassing or damning.
26:55 "Well, yes, I kissed with her, but neither me, Deepak, or Satish had sex with her." Oh, now it IS the interviewer's business just 30 seconds later? And now that you categorically say you didn't have sex with her, how oculd there be any "exactly what happened" left to tell? That you gave Natalee a hug?
27:30 "I really don't care what people think of me." We got that you are pretty arrogant and self-centered, Joran.
27:50 "I don't want people to think I had no feelings." Oh, oops, yeah, what I just said doesn't sound too good. Let me fix that.
32:05 "I don't respect the mother (for her treatment of him, his family and Aruba.)" Don't you just hate it, Joran, when someone won't stop until they get truth and justice?
32:35 "It doesn't make sense for her to make other people suffer." Glad to realize that it doesn't make sense to make other people suffer...like say, Natalee, your friends that you lied about, the two innocent security guards who spent time in jail and had their reputations trashed because of you, your family because you lied to them, the Aruban people because your lies have caused endless trouble. I guess you can only blame other people for Aruba's problems. Let me encourage you again, Joran, to read some good books on the psychology of psychopaths.
32:50 Joran bows out of the interview but not until offering to speak again in the future. Let's hope the next time we hear from you, Joran, it is in a court of law.
Sue--
That post was f-ing brilliant! Loved it!
This is not going to DIE!
Michelle thought you would like to read this. They are trying to raise money to put it on the front page of the NYTIMES when they raise the money.
An open letter to Oprah Winfrey Recently, you made a statement that, "The truth does matter." We believe that you sincerely want to represent the truth and only be a participant in truthful associations. Several months ago, the Dr. Phil show did a broadcast involving the Natalee Holloway disappearance. Dr. Phil showed excerpts from a taped conversation with one of the suspects in the case talking with a private detective, who had been hired by the Dr. Phil show. However, what Dr. Phil broadcast that day has been shown, after extensive testing by the Netherlands Forensic Institute (NFI), to have been manipulated to falsely show Deepak Kalpoe (the suspect) admitting to actions, which he actually denied.
Based on that falsely constructed tape, Dr. Phil referred to Deepak Kalpoe as a sociopath and he called for the boycott of Aruba. Dr. Phil may have been a victim himself of an ambitious staff technician or the private detective, wanting to make the big score, and at the time of the broadcast Dr. Phil may not have known that what he was broadcasting was a manufactured lie.
But, what we know now, is that irrespective of who caused this tape travesty, it was clearly an attempt to frame Deepak. When the Dutch NFI analyzed the, over two hour, original tape, they found that Deepak was saying, "No, She didn't," and shaking his head in denial. What Dr. Phil broadcast had been edited to have Deepak saying, "She did," with his head not moving (in response to a question about Natalee having sex with all of the suspects). As Arlene Shipper, a brilliant Aruban attorney, who comments on the case from time to time, pointed out when she described the NFI results; this body language denial is the crux, which graphically demonstrates exactly what was really said. The NFI specifically concluded that what was broadcast on the Dr Phil show was a lie and was a sinister act of deception to falsify evidence, which Dr. Phil had said would be released to Aruba to incriminate the suspects. The private detective sent his original tape (after a several months delay) to Aruba and those NFI results described in detail the Dr. Phil show broadcast as deceptive, when compared to the original. Here is a link to the entire unedited video (and audio) along with transcripts: http://www.scrux.com/originalvideo
Wow...great piece of work...caught in so many lies...but i guess when your life is built on lies then lies jus kinda seem normal...I think he better forget any plans of coming to the USA...that would be a big mistake...real big...I'm located in Florida and everyone i talk to would not give him a very warm welcome...and i do believe were gonna be keeping tabs on where this guy is for a long damn time...he started this deal and now were gonna finish it....Natalee we won't forget you...an we damn sure ain't forgetting him...Keep the pressure up...Keep the fire hot...A spotlight on those who crawl in the dark and who's only goal in life is to use others...payback is hell!!!
But, I don’t know, she talked a lot of things. Obviously, she was drunk. I had stuff to drink too. Now, I don’t respect that the Aruban authority tried to pin that it was a rape case. She wanted to go with me. I wanted to go with her. It was totally consensual. I had something to drink. She had something to drink. And, I just don’t think it is fair that people…that they even held me three months, because, the fact is, that in the United States they would not even... they never would've even been allowed to arrest me. The Dutch system works in the way that, if…you can be arrested on suspicion. In the United States, you need hard evidence.
hahaha wrong buddy. In the USA you would of been sitting your ass in jail for lying when questioned. It's called the "Miranda Rights". You violate them and you are busted.
Miranda Rights:
You have the right to remain silent.
ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW. (So if you lie jack, your ass lands in jail until bail is set unless the Judge decides to hold you over)
You have the right to have an attorney present now and during any future questioning.If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed to you free of charge if you wish.
LOL There are 3 versions of the tapes. 1. Dr Phil tapes which was editted for the show because of time. "No, she did, you would be surprise how simple it was".
2. Aruban version sent to NFI. "No she did n', you would be surprised how simple it was (and hear the words "that night" cut off the end). Manipulated it was by ALE.
3. Hard drive version "No, she did, you would be surprised how simple it was that night".
Until the full original hard drive version comes out I will not accept the Aruban/NFI version for it has clearly been manipulated as well.
The Skeeter tapes were PROVEN to be manipulated to alter what Deepak said. Why do you think Beth Twitty stopped talking about them. Get with the program. If anyone still claims that the tapes show Deepak admitting something he did not -then take the mothers quote you guys love sooo much - Everybody lies!
This is another story that's been out.
Man had scuffle with some of Holloway's friends
By DANIEL JACKSON
BIRMINGHAM POST-HERALD
One of the three young men arrested Thursday in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway got into a pushing match with some of her friends in an Aruban bar, one of Holloway's friends said Thursday.
Bryan Reynolds, 18, one of 124 recent high school graduates who went to Aruba in late May, said some of his friends almost got into a fight with Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot and his friends.
The scuffle started after Van Der Sloot, a Dutch suspect arrested at his upper-class home in Oranjestad, Aruba, Thursday morning, had been talking to 18-year-old Holloway at a bar where she and classmates hung out during the five-day trip, Reynolds said.
"There was almost a fight between my friend and him," said Reynolds, who was sitting in his car in the parking lot of Mountain Brook Community Church on Thursday after attending a noon prayer service with his classmates and others. "I had to break them up. That's when I got a good look at them."
Van Der Sloot, the son of a Dutch justice official studying at the Aruba International School, and two Surinamese brothers identified by police as Satish and Deepak Kaploe, were arrested Thursday morning, more than a week after Holloway disappeared. The last known people to have seen Holloway, the suspects told police they gave her a ride to her hotel in the early morning hours of May 30, the night she vanished, and never saw her again.
Reynolds said he saw the suspects hanging out at the Holiday Inn where the Mountain Brook High School graduates stayed in Oranjestad. When Holloway went missing, Reynolds said they were the first people he considered as potential suspects.
"That was the first people who came to mind," said Reynolds, who said Holloway is one of his best friends.
Last week, authorities also arrested Nick John, 30, and Abraham Jones, 28, two security guards who both insist they never saw Holloway.
Chris Lejuez, an attorney representing Jones and John, said his clients are being investigated on suspicion of murder and kidnapping, but authorities have not released evidence that Holloway was the victim of foul play. Nor have they ruled out other possibilities, like accidental drowning. None of the suspects has been charged.
Holloway's relatives, who still hope they will find her alive, believe the investigation accelerated in the right direction Thursday when authorities arrested the three suspects, Holloway's aunt Marcia Twitty said during a news conference in front of the Mountain Brook church Thursday.
"We wanted to see this happen," Twitty said. "These are the last three people seen with her. You'd think they have to know something."
Authorities previously questioned Van Der Sloot and the Kaploe brothers about Holloway's disappearance, but at that time, the attorney general's office said they were considered witnesses, not suspects.
The Associated Press reported Thursday that the three young men told police a man dressed in a security guard uniform approached Holloway when they dropped her off in front of the Holiday Inn.
The Kaploe brothers told police Holloway had been drinking, and she fell down when she got out of the car, but refused help from Van Der Sloot, saying, "I can stand on my own," The AP reported.
A man dressed in a black security uniform and carrying a walkie-talkie approached Holloway, seemingly in an effort to help her, the suspects told police. The suspects said they drove off and never saw her again, The AP reported.
But Holiday Inn employees said the hotel's security cameras did not record her return.
On August 13, SCARBOROUGH reported that a source of his very close to this case told him that the evening that NATALEE disappeared, Principal Suspect Joran VDSLOOT made (at least) 2 witnessed sexual advances on NATALEE. When Principal Suspect J. SLOOT made the second sexual advance on NATALEE, NATALEE pushed Principal Suspect J. SLOOT away from her with both hands, And Joran responded punching Natalee with a closed fist . When Principal Suspect J. SLOOT punched NATALEE, an "MBHS" male quickly intervened and challenged Principal Suspect J. SLOOT to go outside and fight the "MBHS" male.
About the tapes:
Dr. Phil didn't call for a boycott based on the Jamie Skeeters tapes. Deepak and Satish were invited to listen to those tapes in January by the police and they didn't show up. They have attorneys to file law suits against Dr.Phil, and/or Jamie Skeeters anytime they want to. Furthermore they aren't going to get involved in an on going "investigation" and I use that word lightly. Can you imagine the depositions between these guys. The investigation of Natalee Holloway isn't even using the tapes against Deepak. The tapes are a big sideshow to avoid the glaring question. The FBI is suppose to have the hard drive and they have never spoken publicly about any of it. Edited, manipulated or whatever.
As for Honorable Shippers, She came on tv last fall and said Beth met with the
prosecutor while in Aruba her last time and she had a video to prove it, calling Beth a liar. Beth's Aruban attorney came on the next night and said that was absolutely false. She was with her the entire time and the prosecutor had already sent her a letter and said she couldn't meet with her. In January Tim Miller said Dompig told him about a fish trap to look for that was stolen. Ms. Shippers came on and said Dompig did NOT say that and in the Vanity Fair article Dompig even talks about a missing fishtrap.
This is a statement from Satish's lawyer talking to Greta VanSustern sounds like Deepak's "friend" was saying the same thing.
VAN SUSTEREN: What do you make of the fact that, apparently, on this June 13 declaration, Joran says — at least, we're told — that Deepak raped and murdered — I think raped and buried, or something like that, Natalee? Do you know anything about that?
KOCK: Yes. No, that was a statement that was given.
Mr Kock even has to take a stab at Natalee
Mr Kock in his interview has to take a stab at Natalee about the Jello shots insinuating that bad bad girl let Joran lick Jello shots off of her and states that they had both been drinking but wasn't stupidly drunk. Nice since in Joran's Current Affair interview he says she was obviously drunk and Dompig said Joran said she was going in and out of consciousness. Why would Satish say she wasn't stupidly drunk after saying she got out at the Holiday Inn and fell down due to her condition.
Natalee was the victim of foul play, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that by now. The tapes are a big sideshow. I could care less about the tapes. Where's Natalee????????!!!
I am so sick of the Skeeters tapes as well. I heard them for myself and it sounds PLAIN as day that he said, "yes, she did."
Who cares about Skeeters, Dr. Phil or any of that crap anymore. I'm moving on to bigger things. DUTCH GOVERNMENT AND ARUBAN OFFICIALS.
Well Michelle - that is sad to see that you run away from facts of a manipulated tape and onto bigger and better things. Running from the truth won't set you free, only stick you in mud.
What are we to learn from this - don't let facts get in the way of judgements??
Anonymous--
I'm not running away from facts. Those tapes were NEVER proven to be true OR false from the FBI or Dutch Officials. It's all speculation. But that's neither here nor there...we have bigger fish to fry than Deepak Kalpoe.
Believe me...I'm not getting muddy one bit. But Aruba may be.
Steve Cohen, spokesman for Aruba was invited to Dr. Phil's show last time. He told Beth the 3 did something terrible to her daughter and he and others think they are guilty, so what's the big deal about the tapes? Straten said in June he thinks Natalee is dead based on the investigation, The FBI said all three were implicating each other and not denying it.and they didn't think Natalee was probably alive. Dompig said he believes it's a homicide involving the three boys, Janssen said she thinks Natalee was the victim of a criminal act. Wonder why Beth thinks they done something to her daughter?
I seriously doubt Dr. Phil lays awake at night and worries that Deepak will sue him. I have seen different people on tv listening to the tapes and watching them with voice analyst who have said opposite things of what they saw and heard. One of my favorite lines from it is Deepak saying Greta offered him 4 million to talk..sureeeeeee I've never understood how he can say no we didn't, you'd be surprised how simple it was. Makes no sense! Just like if you are going to lie about where you dropped someone off you would give a different place, but why the big story about she fell and hit her head and of course MR WONDERFUL offered to help her up and she refused. and 2 black guards got her. Why not just say we left her at the HI?? The 2 guards story was to explain why she was missing.
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