COMMENTARY--HER NAME IS NATALEE HOLLOWAY
I am sick and tired of this pathetic mess.
I’m sick and tired of Aruba arresting people that most likely had nothing to do with Natalee’s disappearance to make it look as if they are doing something.
I’m sick and tired of the continual lies, the smoke screens, the corruption, the coverups, and the Aruban officials who laugh behind Beth and Dave’s back knowing that this case won’t be solved--because they won’t allow it to be solved...they have too much to lose because this goes way beyond Natalee and Joran. We know it, and you know it.
The ALE knew from the very beginning that Joran, Deepak and Satish had something to do with this. Dompig stated, “These 3 are guilty as hell”, or whatever it was that he stated. I believe that Satish may have had nothing to do with Natalee’s demise or disappearance; but I believe Joran and Deepak are the ultimate culprits. Joran has admitted himself in front of the entire world that he is a liar…why should we ever believe him?
I believe that the people of Aruba know what happened to Natalee, but won’t come forward due to alliances, or because of fear. If Joran is innocent, then why won’t he take a polygraph? One of the men accused in the gang rape at Duke University had no problem in taking a polygraph, which he passed… if one is innocent, one has nothing to hide.
I honestly do not think that this case will ever be resolved. From day one, they have sent Beth and Dave on a wild goose chase. "Natalee is in a crack house", "check Carlos and Charlies", check here, check there. "She probably ran off with a boy she fell in love with" (even though she was only in Aruba for a mere few days and spent all her time with her friends), not detaining the three boys right away due to “a tactical maneuver”, throwing away evidence or discounting it.
Everything from day one has been nothing but LIE after LIE after LIE.
And you know what really pisses me off is that no one can even call Natalee by her NAME. It’s always “the girl”. It’s as if she isn’t even a human being. She’s just “the girl”. That makes me sick. Her name is NATALEE HOLLOWAY. Don't forget it. Because her name will haunt your island for eternity.
Aruba thinks that Beth and Dave will get tired and go away if they just hang in there for awhile. I know for a fact that Beth and Dave will not go away. Neither will thousands of others who believe that Joran, Deepak and his father had something to do with her disappearance and believe they are absolutely guilty.
I am entitled to my opinion and freedom of speech applies in my country. You say innocent until proven guilty? Aruba, you have NO RIGHT to use those words when you don’t even acknowledge your own laws…and innocent until proven guilty is an AMERICAN right. The ALE, Karin Janssen, Julia “leatherface/ex-porno fluffer” Renfro, Arlene Schippers, etc., have stated from DAY ONE that Aruba is not America and that their laws are different than our laws…you basically told the family to ‘get over it’, while using our “innocent until proven guilty” rights. Don’t you dare use our rights for your own sick purposes.
I now refuse to believe that any new arrests warrant that person had anything to do with Natalee’s disappearance. Aruba has forgotten the main rule of a criminal investigation…the last person seen with a victim is almost always the guilty party. If you don’t believe that, then go back to detective school…or continue with your inbreeding (Isn’t it odd that everyone is related to everyone down there?) and continue to live in complete denial. Inbreeding causes mental retardation and that’s what I think of all of you involved in this sick and demented disaster.
Joran thinks that his life has been ruined by this? Guess what Joran, not only is your life ruined, but your entire island is suffering due to your LIES. If Joran was an American citizen and compromised our country like Joran has compromised Aruba, you can bet your ass that he would have been turned in a long time ago. Our citizens don’t let sexual predators and liars get away with murder. Especially if it affects American citizens and their financial livelihood.
Keep digging those holes…because you have dug one deep enough to put everyone involved in it. And I would like to be in line to help BURY that hole. If I were Beth I would have taken matters into my own hands a long time ago. I would gladly sit in prison for the rest of my life...just knowing that I avenged my daughter and took care of the real people who are responsible.
God bless Beth, Dave, Natalee, and their entire family. We will never forget what happened and Aruba will go down in history as the most corrupt and sickest tourist island in the world.
27 comments:
Very good post. I for one will not give up. As long as the Holloways keep trying. So will I. And I will keep making sure that people don't travel to Aruba.
I don't think you're right about the things you say.
Please read my comments.
I’m sick and tired of the continual lies,
Please tell me what lies the Aruban officials made, tell me what they said, and tell me why those are lies,
with evidence.
the coverups,
Please tell me who is covering up who, with evidence.
and the Aruban officials who laugh behind Beth and Dave’s back knowing that this case won’t be solved--because they won’t allow it to be solved...they have too much to lose because this goes way beyond Natalee and Joran. We know it, and you know it.
Please tell me, do you have evidence that Aruban officials laugh around the faces of the parents of natalee?
I believe that the people of Aruba know what happened to Natalee, but won’t come forward due to alliances, or because of fear. If Joran is innocent, then why won’t he take a polygraph? One of the men accused in the gang rape at Duke University had no problem in taking a polygraph, which he passed… if one is innocent, one has nothing to hide.
You don't know if joran didn't already have a polygraph. Maybe the Aruban police did it. Maybe that's why he is released. Or they don't use polygraphs in Aruba, because those things aren't accurate, and they don't bring evidence.
Everything from day one has been nothing but LIE after LIE after LIE.
Again I ask you to name those lies, with evidence.
I am entitled to my opinion and freedom of speech applies in my country. You say innocent until proven guilty? Aruba, you have NO RIGHT to use those words when you don’t even acknowledge your own laws…and innocent until proven guilty is an AMERICAN right. The ALE, Karin Janssen, Julia “leatherface/ex-porno fluffer” Renfro, Arlene Schippers, etc., have stated from DAY ONE that Aruba is not America and that their laws are different than our laws…you basically told the family to ‘get over it’, while using our “innocent until proven guilty” rights. Don’t you dare use our rights for your own sick purposes.
Oh my god, you don't know what you're saying!
"This right is OUR right, so you're not allowed to use it"
So if some country has a law, no other country can use that same law, because it's already used by you?
That doesn't make any sense.
you don’t even acknowledge your own laws
Tell me, what laws doesn't Aruba acknowledge?
I now refuse to believe that any new arrests warrant that person had anything to do with Natalee’s disappearance. Aruba has forgotten the main rule of a criminal investigation…the last person seen with a victim is almost always the guilty party. If you don’t believe that, then go back to detective school…or continue with your inbreeding (Isn’t it odd that everyone is related to everyone down there?) and continue to live in complete denial. Inbreeding causes mental retardation and that’s what I think of all of you involved in this sick and demented disaster.
Yeah, it's true that the last person seen with a victom is almost always guilty. But does that mean, we have to say immediatly they're guilty and put them in prison?
How about innocence until proven guilty, the law you were bragging about a few moments ago.
Aruba is using that law. You, apparently, think that seeing someone with a victim as the last person, is evidenct for guiltiness.
Our citizens don’t let sexual predators and liars get away with murder. Especially if it affects American citizens and their financial livelihood.
Yeah, because Americans are so great. Open your eyes, look in the mirror.
God bless Beth, Dave, Natalee, and their entire family. We will never forget what happened and Aruba will go down in history as the most corrupt and sickest tourist island in the world.
1. Aruba is not going down. In fact, tourism has increased 7% last year.
2. The only ones who think that Aruba is a sick and corrupt country, are Americans.
Funny, that America is known in the world as one of the most corrupt and unfair countries.
A GREAT BIG HELL YEAH TO THAT !!!
Innocent until proven guilty is an American right?
It is the basis of any well-respected legal system in this world! Not just America. And yes, that does include Aruba and the Netherlands!
Whether you like it or not!
I still believe Steve Croes is the key. I do not believe in a coincedence as strong as being an innocent person of interest in two missing person cases. Also want to know where is the ATM card now that was used twice that night? So what if Wever is gay! That doesn't mean he can't make a delivery to his boss who has also left the island. What is the Posner & Tacopina connection? Who has Tacopina on retainer?
I have never been to Aruba, but do frequent St.Marteen. However, if the Dutch government doesn't step up and solve this case, I will not be going to any Dutch ruled land.
Although I am very sorry for Natalee's family and friends, this is not just about her. All Americans should be concerned about there safety on any island where this corrupt government and police are responsible for protecting them. TMO
I still believe Steve Croes is the key. I do not believe in a coincedence as strong as being an innocent person of interest in two missing person cases. Also want to know where is the ATM card now that was used twice that night? So what if Wever is gay! That doesn't mean he can't make a delivery to his boss who has also left the island. What is the Posner & Tacopina connection? Who has Tacopina on retainer?
I have never been to Aruba, but do frequent St.Marteen. However, if the Dutch government doesn't step up and solve this case, I will not be going to any Dutch ruled land.
Although I am very sorry for Natalee's family and friends, this is not just about her. All Americans should be concerned about there safety on any island where this corrupt government and police are responsible for protecting them. TMO
First of all, Aruba and the Netherlands legal system is NOT respected. They give rapists 15 months in prison...they allow prostitution and drugs. Innocent until proven guilty does not apply to Aruba and the Netherlands.
Second of all, if America is so corrupt, then why does everyone want to live here? Millions of immigrants have left their homeland to come here over the last 100 years. Not to mention all the illegal mexicans crossing our borders everyday.
Finally, I don't need to respond to any of your remarks or prove myself and my opinion to YOU or anyone else...I've said my peace so GET OVER IT...and jump in the HOLE with the rest of them and GO TO HELL.
Brava, Michelle :-)
Chris
Funny, that America is known in the world as one of the most corrupt and unfair countries.
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and just see if we come running to save your rear ends the next time the Nazis invade.
Alison K N..... You keep repeating yourself...always with the remark""With Evidence""....This is the root core that has caused this unholy mess...ALE,according to them has not found any evidence,"NOTHING",No witness's,NONE,I think we all know how inept and poorly led ALE was in the past and not looking very good in the present either...Sloot has admitted on International TV of lying and even further went on to state that he wouldnt even believe himself in his ABC interview...Well he's right most dont believe him...Its very apparent the 3 suspects are lying because their storys dont match up...WHY??? In a sense when suspects lie repeatedly to cover the real truth that in a way is evidence BUT how do we PROVE it...the statement one of the kalpoe brothers make when they were being taped,""with lies there is no evidence"", WHY would they not want the truth known if they are totally innocent...Is ALE corrupt? We have no CONCRETE PROOF as yet...but remember this is not over with YET....Common sense tells you that something is extremely wrong here...it has turned into a complete circus and "" Natalle Ann Holloway"" has not been found nor do we have any idea what truly happened to her...even you would have to admit that this investigation is a complete farce...people are angry and disgusted by the facade ALE puts on for us and the world...this is not gonna go away so I hope you and Aruba are prepared for the long haul...and trust me on this..IT IS THE TRUTH...And God help Aruba if there is anymore missing people on your happy little island...because there will be HELL to pay and payment will PAID IN FULL!!
Yeah Michelle!!!
Way to tell 'em!!!
Alison K
just like the rest of your friends you are thumbing yur nose at the rest of us saying 'Prove It'.
You must be Dutch. You are showing your true colors.
Dutch law is a joke. So are you.
From a delusional poster:
1. Aruba is not going down. In fact, tourism has increased 7% last year.
2. The only ones who think that Aruba is a sick and corrupt country, are Americans.
Funny, that America is known in the world as one of the most corrupt and unfair countries.
-- end of that post ---
If tourism actually did go UP 7 percent, then that is bad news for future blonde American tourists. Guess Aruba can get a 35 percent boost in tourism by making another 5 blonde Americans "runaway."
Even the Dutch in the Netherlands see the Aruban ALE as being corrupt and incompetent.
If America is so bad, then why do so many want to come here to live?
I haven't seen any news of people risking their lives to immigrate to Aruba.
Alison K.N. said...
I don't think you're right about the things you say.
Please read my comments.
I’m sick and tired of the continual lies,
Please tell me what lies the Aruban officials made, tell me what they said, and tell me why those are lies,
with evidence.
Alison K N...
The lies from ALE are in order...
1. We can't just charge in like cowboys and search someones home.
Well, if that is true why did they charge into the security guards (John and Jones) homes like cowboys. LIE!
2. Calling the Holloway/Twitties and informing them their daughter was found dead then, oops mistake. Oh, they mean a LIE!
3. Stating they have leads and searching in the Ocean, no search in the dunes, no search the ocean again.
All bs, they don't know where to search.
4. They can't arrest suspects but they can arrest witnesses for lying.
Well, when are they going to arrest Joran, Paulus, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes among others for lying as witnesses and obstruction. Aruban/Dutch Laws or more self made laws to suit in their ever changing investigation. LIES!
5. Under Dutch law it is against the law to serve under-age or allow under-age to enter bars without proper ID or allow them to gamble. This they have said on national tv.
So again, when will they arrest Joran, Paulus, CnC and casino's? LIES and more LIES. They will never arrest because they don't care. Law Lies!
6. The letter supposedly written by Natalee and sent to Paulus.
Oh pah-lease! Only fingerprints or DNA found on this so called letter was Paulus. LIES! When will they ever arrest this man for obstruction, more ways than one.
7. Joran's own self admittance to lying over and over again.
What is wrong with Aruban ALE and officials. They can't see what the truth really is and it's right under their nose. Or do they fear someone else on their little island?
the coverups,
Please tell me who is covering up who, with evidence.
Cover-ups...
1. Blood found in Deepaks car that Aruba Prime Minister and FBI stated was found then mysteriously became chocolate. COVER-UP!
How can Natalee's DNA, none what so ever, be found in Deepaks car. Nothing. No trace, as if she were never in it when there were witnesses to the fact. COVER-UP!
2. Joran was bragging at his school the next day he had sex with Natalee and some of the students said Joran had scratches on his face. Even Joran's principle stated Joran came to class late when Paulus tried to have the principle "cover-up" that Joran wasn't on time.
Why hasn't ALE brought in Joran's principle for a witness and the students as witnesses. Cover-up!
3. 6 girls who came forward stating that they too were drugged and raped by Joran and possibly others then suddenly they backed out of it saying they had to live in Aruba with the shame.
More like they were threatened or scared out of their confessions. More COVER-UP!
4. Several witnesses have fled the island that could be pertinent to the case. Such as Koen, Posner, Mr. Pink, Lorenzo, Van Straaten ect. A little suspecious they would suddenly take off when Natalee came up missing. They have something to hide? Cover-up!
5. It's becoming taboo to talk about Natalee on the island. Why is that? Taboo usually means off limits. They have something to hide? Or is it a "cover-up" and affraid someone will talk?
6. Anita told Beth and Greta at the Sloots house that Joran claimed he had sex with Natalee. Even Anita discribed Natalee's panties and private parts to them. Why hasn't Anita been brought in for questioning if she knows all this? COVER-UP!
and the Aruban officials who laugh behind Beth and Dave’s back knowing that this case won’t be solved--because they won’t allow it to be solved...they have too much to lose because this goes way beyond Natalee and Joran. We know it, and you know it.
Please tell me, do you have evidence that Aruban officials laugh around the faces of the parents of natalee?
1. How much money you have?
2. Go to CnCs and have a drink, relax.
That alone is shameful, disrespectful and can be concidered being laughed at behind ones back because they aren't being taken seriously about their daughter missing. Shows lack or professionalism to me. No matter how often it happens on the island. And if that happens often on the island you would think they would have more police manning the clubs and crack houses more late at night to make sure their tourist they value so much are safe/safer.
I believe that the people of Aruba know what happened to Natalee, but won’t come forward due to alliances, or because of fear. If Joran is innocent, then why won’t he take a polygraph? One of the men accused in the gang rape at Duke University had no problem in taking a polygraph, which he passed… if one is innocent, one has nothing to hide.
You don't know if joran didn't already have a polygraph. Maybe the Aruban police did it. Maybe that's why he is released. Or they don't use polygraphs in Aruba, because those things aren't accurate, and they don't bring evidence.
1. Joran has never taken a polygraph test. He has stated it himself he has not and won't. Why not? Affraid to take one big boy? Got something to hide? Maybe they are not admissible in a court of law, or at least not in USA, who knows about Aruba with their ever changing laws to suit themselves, but at least it would give people peace of mind knowing Joran came forward with good intent to prove he was innocent even if it is just a polygraph test.
Everything from day one has been nothing but LIE after LIE after LIE.
Again I ask you to name those lies, with evidence.
1. Read my above statements on the LIES.
I am entitled to my opinion and freedom of speech applies in my country. You say innocent until proven guilty? Aruba, you have NO RIGHT to use those words when you don’t even acknowledge your own laws…and innocent until proven guilty is an AMERICAN right. The ALE, Karin Janssen, Julia “leatherface/ex-porno fluffer” Renfro, Arlene Schippers, etc., have stated from DAY ONE that Aruba is not America and that their laws are different than our laws…you basically told the family to ‘get over it’, while using our “innocent until proven guilty” rights. Don’t you dare use our rights for your own sick purposes.
Oh my god, you don't know what you're saying!
"This right is OUR right, so you're not allowed to use it"
So if some country has a law, no other country can use that same law, because it's already used by you?
That doesn't make any sense.
you don’t even acknowledge your own laws
Tell me, what laws doesn't Aruba acknowledge?
1. Aruba or any other country can use any laws they choose. Practicing them is another story.
I now refuse to believe that any new arrests warrant that person had anything to do with Natalee’s disappearance. Aruba has forgotten the main rule of a criminal investigation…the last person seen with a victim is almost always the guilty party. If you don’t believe that, then go back to detective school…or continue with your inbreeding (Isn’t it odd that everyone is related to everyone down there?) and continue to live in complete denial. Inbreeding causes mental retardation and that’s what I think of all of you involved in this sick and demented disaster.
Yeah, it's true that the last person seen with a victom is almost always guilty. But does that mean, we have to say immediatly they're guilty and put them in prison?
How about innocence until proven guilty, the law you were bragging about a few moments ago.
Aruba is using that law. You, apparently, think that seeing someone with a victim as the last person, is evidenct for guiltiness.
1. Dutch law...
If you leave with someone who is incompassidated you are responsible for their well being. If anything happens to them while you are with them, or if you leave them in that state, you are fully responsible for them and can be held accountable and go to jail.
Joran left Natalee on the beach. "Something Bad Happened" to her and she's disappeared. Therefore Joran is responsible and can be held accountable for her disappearance. He should be sitting in jail for Natalee's disappearance. But, oh wait, Aruban ALE is corrupt and Joran won't be seeing anymore jail time. He's innocent. Even if the LAW says he's GUILTY.
Our citizens don’t let sexual predators and liars get away with murder. Especially if it affects American citizens and their financial livelihood.
Yeah, because Americans are so great. Open your eyes, look in the mirror.
1. It's something we call, "Miranda Rights" here in USA. Anything you say and do can and will be used against you in a court of law. If you lie you will be held for perjury and do jail time.
If Joran and Paulus ect. go to court in this civil suit, if they lie they will go to jail for perjury.
God bless Beth, Dave, Natalee, and their entire family. We will never forget what happened and Aruba will go down in history as the most corrupt and sickest tourist island in the world.
1. Aruba is not going down. In fact, tourism has increased 7% last year.
1.Alison you need to recheck the statistics once again. They are way low since last year.
2. The only ones who think that Aruba is a sick and corrupt country, are Americans.
2.Sorry to disappoint you Alison but Americans are not the only ones who feel Aruba is corrupt. People from all over the world do as well. We speak to a variety of people from all over on blogs and forums. So again, Americans are not the only ones who feel or think Aruba is corrupt and sick.
Funny, that America is known in the world as one of the most corrupt and unfair countries.
1. As Michelle said...
We are so corrupt and unfair that's why we have people from all other the world wanting to live in USA instead of their countries.
USA is so unfair and corrupt that we are all just dying to leave and find another country to live. USA is so unfair and corrupt we help other 3rd world countries out when they have earth quakes, floods, wars ect. Yes, USA is so unfair and corrupt we are begged to baby sit other countries when in trouble.
Yes, USA has our own problems, we are not perfect unlike other countries, but we have by far a better and moral Judicial system then any other country in the world.
When natural disasters occur we help one another. When we have missing children or missing people we organize large groups of professionals and non-professionals to search for them. Hundreds of people take the time out of their lives and help look for people we don't know on a daily basis. We volunteer without being asked or told or payed. We orgainize help parties to help the families with cooking, cleaning ect to releave them from the stress of the loss of a loved one. It's called the American way.
Any more questions, Alison?
Whoo hoo...thank you anonymous. I didn't have the time or the energy to fully respond to that idiot. All she needed to do is READ what is going on. If she wanted answers to those questions, she could have looked into this blog or other blogs and figured it out for herself. Idiots breed like cockroaches...in which we see Alison and her phony followers are perfect examples.
We'll that seemed to blow apart Allison's idiotic ramblings. What about the Gardner. He passed Jossy Mansurs lie detector test. About seeing the boys that night. And the Police dismissed him?? Hmmmm Can you say coverup. Why wouldn't the Aruban Gov't let the FBI help? Nothing in Dutch law says they can't? But for some strange reason. The Gov't chose not to let the Worlds best law enforcement agency help? Why would a 20 yr police vet like Van der Straaten not arrest the punks the day after he found out they lie to him? He wanted to watch them? Let's see Paulus was a judge in training. He knew exactly what police would do. So what would be gained from watching them? Didn't he thing Paulus might prep his son on what the Police were gonna do? Or Should he have just arrested the punks. Confiscated the car the cloths and all the other evidence? Question them right away without ten days of prepping from Paulus. Someone with that much expierence should have known what to do. It's basic police procedure. But he chose not to. Why? Oh because he is close friends with Paulus. This whole case reeks of coverup. And I'm not the only one who thinks so. There have been Dutch Law Professors who have also questioned the investigation. And how unproffesionally it's been handled. They to know that the Aruba Police have Covered this case up. Allison, Get real
Innocent until proven guilty DOES apply in Dutch law. Otherwise Joran and the Kalpoes would still be in jail, wouldn't they?
And Anonymous, what you call lies is mostly hear-say or what you have read on the internet what Dutch law is supposed to be like. Many of these so-called Dutch "laws" do not exist and this has been said numerous times already by many Dutch posters on various blogs and websites.
So come up with some real proof and then we can talk!
Anybody ever heard of Hans A. Van der Sloot (H.A. Van der Sloot)and know if he is related to Paulus? Interesting fella with a lot of knowledge on waste fields and incenarators. Just googling.
Alison K N
Joran van der sloot himself was very happy and excited that he was going to the USA for college...imagine that...Apparently he thinks the USA is great and he just couldnt wait to come here...I dont think it would be very wise to come here now though he would be a"MARKED" man...You know this is what I love when some fool comes on this blog and trys to bitch slap us down and all they do is just fire our ass's back up again...thank you alison we needed that...keep it coming and keep us on our toes!!
Wonder why ex Aruban Commisioner Stanley Zaandam said 2 days after 5/29. The body of Natalee may have already been found. And the police commisioner may have looked the other way to do a favor for Paulus, to exculpate his son.. Very strange indeed. Then you listen to the Dutch Law Professors. And you see them critize the Police investigation. Saying how poorly it's been conducted. Then you see that the police did nothing for ten days. At the beginning of the case. Even though they new the boys were lying. Very strange. The Aruban gov't tell the FBI and Natalee parents that she is dead. Then the police change there minds. The Prime Minister then tells the press that blood was found in Deepaks car. Then the police say that's not true. The Gardner then passes a lie detector test about seeing the boys. And the Police dismiss him. All very strange.
Anonymous said...
Innocent until proven guilty DOES apply in Dutch law. Otherwise Joran and the Kalpoes would still be in jail, wouldn't they?
Wouldn't they? Nah, we are talking about Aruba here. They are corrupt. By the Dutch Law, IF Aruba would abide by it, Joran would be sitting in jail as we speak. Same goes with the underage drinking, gambling. All against Dutch Law. But is Aruba upholding the Dutch Law to it's fullest. Hell No! Why not? Because Aruba is C O R R U P T!
And Anonymous, what you call lies is mostly hear-say or what you have read on the internet what Dutch law is supposed to be like. Many of these so-called Dutch "laws" do not exist and this has been said numerous times already by many Dutch posters on various blogs and websites.
So come up with some real proof and then we can talk!
Thu May 25, 01:09:45 PM EDT
LMAO For someone who is Dutch sure doesn't know their own laws.
I have facts, not all facts come from the internet or blogs. Most come from the words of ALE/Officials that I speak of. And the "Dutch Law" I speak of is a fact. I looked it up and read a LOT of Dutch Law for many months so I would understand and know the Dutch Law better. Look it up for yourself, learn more about your own "laws".
I doubt the commissioner turned his head to anything> He probably did it himself or helped.. If someone was to investigate him (Stratten)alot more could be resolved. We know that Joran and the Kalpoes are guilty already! But being stuck in first gear will not get us there faster! Go after Stratten and watch the roaches scurry...The really big furry ones!!!!! I love the passion of this site (to the cause) but no matter how many times you beat a dead horse, the SOB is still dead!
It's time to investigate the investigators! Stratten should be #1 on that list!
thanks Alison for your stupid post you just pissed off more Americans that otherwise might have forgotten about all the anger being felt against the Dutch, Arubans and your stupid 'Dutch Law'. Dutch Law doesn't exist.
"Let the Dutch go smoke their weed in their little cafes and live their lives pretending that they stand for something. They don't and never have."
Alison K.N. said...
I don't think you're right about the things you say.
Please read my comments.
I’m sick and tired of the continual lies,
Please tell me what lies the Aruban officials made, tell me what they said, and tell me why those are lies,
with evidence.
Alison K N...
The lies from ALE are in order...
We can't just charge in like cowboys and search someones home.
Well, if that is true why did they charge into the security guards (John and Jones) homes like cowboys. LIE!
I guess they then had a permission from a judge to search there homes. If they had a permission, it's not like the cowboy-way.
Calling the Holloway/Twitties and informing them their daughter was found dead then, oops mistake. Oh, they mean a LIE!
I agree that this was very strange, but this is not evidence for a lie.
They can't arrest suspects but they can arrest witnesses for lying.
Well, when are they going to arrest Joran, Paulus, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes among others for lying as witnesses and obstruction. Aruban/Dutch Laws or more self made laws to suit in their ever changing investigation. LIES!
Again, you can't name the EVIDENCE for lies. Self made laws?? Name me one, please.
Under Dutch law it is against the law to serve under-age or allow under-age to enter bars without proper ID or allow them to gamble. This they have said on national tv.
Where you have to be 21 in the USA to buy alcohol, in Aruba en The Netherlands it's legal at 16.
The age to enter bars is 16. So CnC wasn't acting against the law.
It is true, that the casino-age is 18. But if you're under-age, and go into a casino, you can't be punished by the law, only the casino can. So the casino is the only one who is wrong here. They should have had a fine or something.
the coverups,
Please tell me who is covering up who, with evidence.
Cover-ups...
Blood found in Deepaks car that Aruba Prime Minister and FBI stated was found then mysteriously became chocolate. COVER-UP!
How can Natalee's DNA, none what so ever, be found in Deepaks car. Nothing. No trace, as if she were never in it when there were witnesses to the fact. COVER-UP!
You just call everything that doesn't blame joran or one of the other suspects/witnesses a cover-up.
There is no DNA of Natalee found in the car. You don't think: mm, maybe she wasn't in the car.
No, you shout COVER-UP COVER-UP...
You want to believe they are guilty, but there is not enough evidence for that, so you call it a cover-up. Weak.
Even Joran's principle stated Joran came to class late
Wow, he came late to class. Yeah, now we're sure he is guilty.
How many people are late everyday? At least 10% I guess.
4. Several witnesses have fled the island that could be pertinent to the case. Such as Koen, Posner, Mr. Pink, Lorenzo, Van Straaten ect. A little suspecious they would suddenly take off when Natalee came up missing. They have something to hide? Cover-up!
1. As Aruba is semi-part of the Netherlands, a lot of people move there for a year, and then go back. Or people go live there for the rest of their lives, and people from Aruba go live in the Netherlands for the rest of their lives.
Two friends of mine have lived their for two years, and then went back to the Netherlands.
So it's a normal thing that people come and go on the island.
2. As a witness/suspect, it's not very nice to get a lot of (negative) media attention. Still, after a year, the island is filled with journalists. I don't blame the media and the journalists that they're there, but I can understand that the suspects/witnesses don't like it, and leave. That's not fleeding.
and the Aruban officials who laugh behind Beth and Dave’s back knowing that this case won’t be solved--because they won’t allow it to be solved...they have too much to lose because this goes way beyond Natalee and Joran. We know it, and you know it.
Please tell me, do you have evidence that Aruban officials laugh around the faces of the parents of natalee?
1. How much money you have?
2. Go to CnCs and have a drink, relax.
It is usefull to know how much money the family, and natalee, had. It gives the investigators a better idea of the profil of the guilty person.
About the second, I can understand that this official was trying to calm them down, but I can also understand that people find it disrespectful. Not very proffesional indeed, but not a sign of corruption.
God bless Beth, Dave, Natalee, and their entire family. We will never forget what happened and Aruba will go down in history as the most corrupt and sickest tourist island in the world.
Aruba is not going down. In fact, tourism has increased 7% last year.
Alison you need to recheck the statistics once again. They are way low since last year.
Show me the stats, cause I can show you mine. Aruban statistics, CNN, BBC, they all say it.
Funny, that America is known in the world as one of the most corrupt and unfair countries.
1. As Michelle said...
We are so corrupt and unfair that's why we have people from all other the world wanting to live in USA instead of their countries.
Everybody agrees that America is the richest country in the world. Mm, why would all those poor people want to go to a rich country...
Yes, USA has our own problems, we are not perfect unlike other countries, but we have by far a better and moral Judicial system then any other country in the world.
The best judicial system?
Just to name one of the few examples:
Guantanamo Bay. Everybody is equal for our law, except terrorists. They get their own law.
That's like saying, everybody has the right of an honest threatment by the law, except criminals, they don't.
That is not fair, not good.
When natural disasters occur we help one another. When we have missing children or missing people we organize large groups of professionals and non-professionals to search for them. Hundreds of people take the time out of their lives and help look for people we don't know on a daily basis. We volunteer without being asked or told or payed. We orgainize help parties to help the families with cooking, cleaning ect to releave them from the stress of the loss of a loved one. It's called the American way.
Ehm, a lot of people all over the world to the same. It's not the American way. It's the way of all good people.
We volunteer without being asked or told or payed Maybe that's true, but so do all others over the world.
And, it's funny that in America people want other people to know, they gave a lot of money to charity. They get a hallway or building named after them.
It's about helping the charity fund, not about letting other people know you give a lot of money.
When the Tsunami hit, every country in the world gave a lot of help. But on CNN and Fox, they only showed american help-ships (I don't know the world), and they only told how much money the USA gave. Europe and Japan gave more, and send a lot of helpers and helicopters and food too. But they don't show that on your television.
And that's is why you think you help others so much (YOU DO!), and other don't (THEY DO TOO!).
It's not my intention to insult Americans, I just think some of the thins that are said here, aren't right.
So please, stop calling me a joke, or a monster, or whatever is said here,
cause I don't care about that at all, I just want a healthy discussion.
Alison K N...
We can have a healthy discussion. But when you ask for evidence and someone brings it to you don't say, "Oh you just say cover up cover up when you have no evidence". Well, my dear, all this information I have posted are facts. The information came from what ALE/Officials have stated to the public. I go on facts and facts only. Not by emotional people who just flame out anything from their ass.
1. The Judge ordered a search at the Van der Sloots house. Paulus would not let them search certain rooms/areas at the house and property. Even with a court Judge order. The ALE were idiots and allowed this kind of behavior but yet with a court Judge order they ripped through the 2 security guards homes and searched them fully. That's BS! So it's ok to do for one but not the other, even with a Judge order? Like I said before...Janseen:" We can't just charge in like cowboys". LIE! They did it with the 2 guards they could do the same with the Van der Sloots as well. Per Judges orders to do a fully search. You see what I am saying? If not, and you feel this procedure is ok they you're just as corrupt as the rest.
2. It's a blantent lie and unethical to call someones parents to say their daughter was found dead then regant it. NO Police would call unless they are 100% positive first. They have to have a body. Not say it then change their minds. It was a lie to the parents no matter how you look at it.
3.Evidence of Lies...
A) Joran and 2 Kalpoes lied about the Holiday Inn, dropping Natalee off. The ALE claimed the boys were "Witnesses" when they lied about seeing guards in black uniform come up to Natalee at the HI. It was the first LIE of ALL the LIES.
B) Steve Croes LIED to the police as a witness to give an alibi for Joran and 2Kalpoes then admitted it openly on national tv that he lied to try and help someone. a LIE as a witness.
C) Deepak stated that Paulus wanted to speak with them and they gathered around the pool at the Van der Sloots house. Even Johns(Security guard) said Deepak told him this in jail. That Paulus and Joran came up with the story to use as dropping Natalee at the HI and guards came up to Natalee. So that is Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus, Steve Croes all lied. Not to mention Guido Weaver to lie for Joran an alibi saying they played tennis. There is no record of it according to the owners at the tennis court. They most log in to use the tennis courts. More Lies by the boys.
4) Dutch Law 16 can drink beer and wine. NOT hard liquor. And Dutch Law you can NOT enter a bar at age 16 or 17. You must be at least 18. Even the owners to CnCs stated this fact as well as ALE stated this fact. CnC stated publically unless you have ID to prove you are 18 you can not enter the bar at night. The owners stated this. So, the bar tenders served underage persons. So yes CnC should be in jail as I stated before. As well as held accountable for the disappearance of Natalee being they contributed to the minors involved.
Casino owners to be in jail as should Paulus for allowing his son for gambling underage in his presence. He was there with Joran. Hell, even Guido Weave was a dealer underage in the casino. The caino should be find big time or closed town and investigated for multiple infractions against the law.
5) You asked me to name cover ups and evidence. I presented it to you as facts. You asked, I gave.
Prime Minister and FBI staed blood/DNA was found in Deepaks car. I don't know about ALE/Officials, but the FBI are highly trained and credible and would never state this unless it were true. Unlike incompitent ALE/Officials in Aruba.
Natalee not get in the car? LOL was drugs you been taking today? You are delussional now. There were MB kid witnesses to this fact and even Joran and 2Kalpoes stated Natalee got in Deepaks car. Unless you are trying to say they were using a rental. Strands of hair, body oils should of easily been found. They should of showed Natalee was at least in the car if nothing else. The boys and who ever else took care of all evidence inside the car. Cover up!
6) I stated why didn't they guestion them since Joran was late to school. He was out late the night before. How late? He was bragging to the other students. Joran's father tried to get the Principle to say Joran was on time to class. WHY? It tends to lead to a cover up or hiding something if not wanting to tell the truth. The classmates can also varify as witnesses Joran had scractches/bruises on his face. Either ALE is discounting this information as witnesses and cover up or just imcompetent. Wait, we already know this. LOL
Fleeing...You're possibly involved in the case and leave suddenly? ah huh...a red flag goes up. Your comments hold no weight to me what so ever, Alison. It looks very suspecious several would leave around the same time and then later learn they are involved in some way or another.
You don't ask how much money you have to someone reporting a missing person as the first statement or question in regards to their child missing. You don't tell them to go to the local bar to relax and have a drink in regards to a missing child/person. You take proper steps in procedures in filing paper work with information on the missing child/person. And follow ups start immediately in a research and organizing. Not wait a few days before doing anything about it at all and ask how much money you make and to go have a drink and relax as if it's no big deal.
7) Oh boy, here we go again. Ok, here are some stats gathered.
The decrease of passengers at Beatrix Airport is now at 14.8%.
The 3rd quarter from 2005 showed a -3.5% decrease of airline passengers. While other Caribbean islands like Jamaica had record growth in 2005, that was not the case for Aruba. It was also reported that less air-passengers in the second half of 2005. The airline passenger numbers for the 4th quarter in Aruba were down 7.4% as compared to the previous year.
ARUBA – The airport of Aruba saw a drop of 14.8 percent in the number of handled passengers in the first quarter of this year. The number of flight movements dropped with 2.8 percent, announced the Aruba Airport Authority. With 250.585 American passengers, the percentage is lower than last year in the first quarter, namely 15 percent.
This doesn’t take into account the fact that oil prices are at an all time high. And before you start saying “tourism in Jamaica is up”, it is cheaper to fly to Jamacia than most of the other islands in the caribbean. I won’t even get into the $ problems that the airlines are having (also driving prices up).
Take off the blinders and look at the whole picture.
Not to mention the decline in cruise ships porting in Aruba.
Even Tito Lacle stated it's dropped low on national tv. You saying he is a liar?
I also speak with a someone from Aruba on a regular basis and he said that tourism is way down and Aruba is losing money. People losing jobs because of it. My friend is very upset about it saying a lot of his friends and other family members can't afford to pay bills, food ect for their families. I am sadden the good people of Aruba are suffering but I believe a life is worth more than money.
What's not fair is that Natalee Holloway is not having a fair and just investigation properly. With the botched up and incompetent ALE/Officials poor Natalee will never see justice. ALE failing to investigate properly. Wait 10 days before searching those last seen with Natalee. No, they arrest 2 black security guards based on LIES from Joran and 2Kalpoes.
Unless you have evidence to prove to me they are innocent I will always see them as guilty parties. Liars, kidnappers and rapist. As well as those all involved in this terrible fiasco called an investigation.
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Posted by: arubababy
Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:04 pm
Do you have to be a certain age for Carlos and Charlies?
Posted by: Siteadmin
Wed May 03, 2006 11:14 pm
Yes, the age of entrance is 18 after about 10pm.
The legal drinking age in Aruba is also 18.
And we do require for everyone to carry some sort of I.D. with them.
During the daytime we are a restaurant and any and everyone is allowed to come inside for lunch and later for dinner.
Hope to have informed you enough
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quote: "..I don't know about ALE/Officials, but the FBI are highly trained and credible and would never state this unless it were true..." unquote.
Do you really think so?
Why is it that FBI director Robert Mueller announced that the bureau would undergo a major overhaul. Longstanding doubts sparked by such PR debacles as Ruby Ridge, Richard Jewell, Waco and Wen Ho Lee have given way to even deeper concerns that FBI incompetence made it easier for terrorists to reach their targets on 9/11. Mueller suggested this week that the problems stemmed not only from a lack of manpower but from an insular and paranoid agency culture. As stories in Time and the New Yorker noted, information is not shared and often not acted upon; careerism and fear rule; and the initiative of individual agents is squelched by bureaucrats.
Sibel Edmonds, a translator who worked at the FBI's language division, says the division was riddled with incompetence and corruption.
Edmonds was fired after reporting her concerns to FBI officials. Then, she turned for help to the Justice Department's inspector general and to Sen. Charles Grassley, whose committee, the Judiciary Committee, has direct oversight of the FBI.
Does the Sibel Edmonds case fall into any pattern of behavior, pattern of conduct, on the part of the FBI?
“The usual pattern,” says Grassley. “Let me tell you, first of all, the embarrassing information comes out, the FBI reaction is to sweep it under the rug, and then eventually they shoot the messenger.”
My Good Lord, talking about highly trained FBI and ALE incompetence
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